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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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wiccamum · 04/02/2018 20:28

I’m a woman.

Not a “cis woman”. Just a woman. Sometimes I wear makeup, sometimes I don’t. I can put the bins out and I can cook...sometimes I don’t fancy doing either.

I have opinions and I like to express them.

Stop taking posts down MNHQ!!! Let us speak, on the safe forum that is Mumsnet. That is all.

Let’s see how long this one stays up...

OP posts:
birdsdestiny · 04/02/2018 23:41

I honestly think this is MN being supportive. Lots and lots of people will have reported that thread because the fwr board is used to men trolling their discussions. MN will be investigating if the Op is an arse or not.

OnTheList · 04/02/2018 23:43

Is this the 'sick of the transphobia' thread or whatever it was called? I was quite annoyed that went poof. I had posted on it, but there were an extra 300 posts that I was planning on reading in bed and now its gone. Should just lock them tbh. If only for nosy people like me Grin

Anyway, yes women are fantastic. I am also a woman. I tend to be more masculine than feminine, which matters not as luckily stereotypes are bullshit and women are women and men are men, no matter what their interests or whatever alterations they make to themselves. If we go on the stereotypical nonsense that TRAs reckon makes one a man or a woman, then I am actually a man. Life would be easier, granted. But I am a woman, and am in good company.

GinAndSonic · 04/02/2018 23:47

I am a woman.

I wear underwear from the men's section because trunks offer Full Bum Coverage
I usually don't wear make up.
I never wear high heels.
I have short nails.
I have shaved my hair off before.
I went through years of only wearing trousers.
Most of my t shirts and hoodies are from the men's section.
I like curry.
I like action movies.
I read comic books.

I have grown and birthed two children.
I have been sexually harassed since I was about 11.
I have had the sort of periods where I could sit on the toilet and hear the blood trickle out like I was urinating.
I have bled through my clothes in public.
I have been raped.
I have suffered domestic abuse.

I have a young daughter who asks to see a lady doctor because if they want to listen to her chest she doesn't want to show it to a man.
The same young daughter loves to be covered in mud, climbing, building, having sword fights with sticks.
She goes and joins in games of football with boys four years older than her.
She is a girl. She will be a woman.

Girlhood and womanhood are not feelings than men and boys have. They are biological fact and lived reality.

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 04/02/2018 23:54

I am a woman

I have long hair, wear make up most of the time, occasionally shave my legs (when it becomes uncomfortable to pull my jodhpurs on), love glitter to an unnatural degree and adore kittens & ponies in all forms

I also grow an impressive beard if I let it go, can parallel park and read maps, never wear skirts or dresses, often buy men’s trousers, wear converse/DM’s, am assertive and full of self confidence, swear, drink, drive fast cars, always put the bins out, can cook but cannot bake at all

Absolutely none of the above defines my womanhood. My biology does that for me

And I am not, and never, ever will be, cis

Maryz · 04/02/2018 23:57

I am a woman.

I reject being called "cis" or told my gender is "masculine" or "feminine". I wanted to be a boy until I was about 14. I bawled my eyes out the day my mum called me in from the garden and told me I had to wear a t-shirt playing football with my brothers and their friends. I hated my breasts (still do) and getting periods.

I have short hair. I haven't worn makeup for 30 years. I wear jeans and boots. I come out as strongly male on every online test. I'm good at maths, map-reading and putting together Ikea furniture.

I'm also a mother, I can be nurturing and well-organised at the same time Hmm

Like everyone else here I've been abused for my body, called names, laughed at, touched up, mauled and scared shitless more times than I can count. I worry for my daughter who is currently suffering the same.

I want girls to be able to access safe spaces, be able to get away from men when they need to and win at sport.

I reject the takeover of women's spaces, women's sport, women's groups and women's reality - even their name, women - by men.

DancingLedge · 05/02/2018 00:00

@Natsku. All best wishes
Hope and will everything to go well.

buckbeak · 05/02/2018 00:11

I am a woman.

I've suffered child sexual abuse because I'm female.

I've birthed 3 children.

And I'm fucking pissed off.

Woman's aid have tipped me over the edge on this. When I was a child being abused in my care home by a man, it was hell, and now with woman's aid stance on this, more men will be free to do this.

I want to thank you ladies on the feminism boards, I've spent most of my weekend reading through every single thread, it's heartbreaking. But you've all opened my eyes to everything. Thanks

MissJaySays · 05/02/2018 00:14

@powershowerforanhour I've never heard that one before, but I love it! Thank you

boatyardblues · 05/02/2018 00:17

Natsku Good luck with the baby. Look forwards to an update when you are the other side. Keeping everything crossed that you have a good delivery. Flowers

Weezol · 05/02/2018 00:19

I am a woman.
I am angry.
I am raging with the fury of a thousand flames.
I will not be silenced.

The man who raped me did not silence me.
The men who harassed me did not silence me.
The employers who discriminated against me did not silence me.

A man in a suit will not silence me.
A man with power will not silence me.
A man in a dress will not silence me.

There is a place for silence.
It is in the calm before the storm.
I am the storm.

I am XX

Waddlelikeapenguin · 05/02/2018 00:33

Teabagtits there is a dip in supply just before/during your period. Baby will feed more (& you're likely to find it more irritating than usual!) to make up for it. Drinking gallons of water helps me.
Also at this stage your clever boobs make milk on demand so you dont get that heavy due a feed feeling. Flowers

I am a woman.
I have been pregnant &/or breastfeeding for nearly a decade.
I do not wear make up.
I wear barefoot/flat shoes (i always did but now have no choice as pelvis has never been right since first birth)
I dont own any skirts or dresses.
I love maps, maths, science & sewing.

Sex is a biological reality.

powershowerforanhour · 05/02/2018 00:34

Good luck Natsku xx

buckbeak · 05/02/2018 00:49

Good luck @Natsku ThanksThanksThanks

bluescreen · 05/02/2018 10:23

I am a woman.
When I was a little girl I wanted to be a boy so I could wear trousers at school so boys would not see my knickers when I turned cartwheels. I hated dolls and dresses. I climbed trees. I was as strong as any boy. I wanted to be an explorer.
I cried when my periods started. I did not want to become a woman. I could see how they were weaker than men and regarded as illogical, emotionally unstable, and intellectually inferior.
I didn’t want to grow up with tits to be leered at or be someone’s wife.
I was in the new girls football club until the headmaster got to hear of it and banned it because playing football was ‘unladylike’.
I have been raped and sexually assaulted.
I was sexually assaulted by the college doctor. I got a good degree.
I got a professional qualification and practised my profession successfully.
I have been turned down for a job because I was of childbearing age.
I have borne a child and breast fed. I left work in order to do so.
I do not wear dresses or make-up. I do not enjoy musicals. I do not shave.
My DH and DS take it for granted that I am a woman even though I am good at map-reading, and even though I am now past childbearing age.

If it is not a biological definition I do not know what ‘woman’ means: I may even be a man, but just not the sort who can be a woman.

And I am angry.


Flowers for you, Natsku Flowers

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 05/02/2018 12:18

onthelist

Yeah i went out and i knew it was going to go before i got back

I think the thread was started in order to goad but it would be good if instead of deleting the original OP was unable to post and the thread locked

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 05/02/2018 12:20

Oops

I did not notice that it was back...

Soz

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