When did 'White, Middle Class Women' become the scum of the earth

[AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth]

So utterly sick of women being attacked for being white and middle class,

It's ALL over twitter. 'Check your fucking privilege'. Fuck off.

While I might appear privileged now I certainly didn't come from it and these wankers wouldn't want my early life giftwrapped.

Before the trans thing, I had no idea how hated women are by a lot of people. Including some women, it seems.

Having a fuming Sunday morning and it's too early for

Yes, it seems that white women (or even all women) are now more hated than rich white men. Because we rape all the people and we do all the violence and we oppress all the minorities.

We are responsible for oppressing all. Especially, over privileged white men.

Or

Over priviledged white men have found a narrative they like and are pushing it s hard as they can to undermine women and women’s rights. Fuckers.

While I might appear privileged now I certainly didn't come from it and these wankers wouldn't want my early life giftwrapped.

Same here. And it’s what informs my politics.

In a topsy turvy world where Bruce Jenner is more oppressed than a child bride in India (cis privilege don't ya know) it's hardly surprising.

It's a great way of shutting down a class of women who will probably have alot more time & resourses than average to devote to battling female oppression by casting them as uber priviledged oppressors.

Plus we all know that in the land of identity politics only those with the greatest amount of oppression points are to be listened to, even when they talk utter shite.

And yes Assigned one of the most sickening side effects of all this bs is just how much women as a class are hated. I'm middleaged, I've always been a feminist, I thought my eyes were open but up until I peak transed I realise I was asleep all along...

We are all guilty of committing reverse rape don'tcha know.

Worst.Crime.Commited.Ever

Yeah I noticed Rose McGowan getting a lot of criticism for her 'cis white feminism'- some of it coming from the white TIM who recently abandoned his young daughters, Transscribe.

With the caveat that I'm white myself it really does bother me how much TRAs appropriate WOC in their batshit arguments.

The recent twitter furore about trans women being a subset of women exactly the same as black women was astounding. The implications of that are appalling.

They have taken the origins of intersectional feminism and bastardised it as a gotcha to make out penis exclusion is the same as racism.

It's a great way of shutting down a class of women who will probably have alot more time & resourses than average to devote to battling female oppression by casting them as uber priviledged oppressors.

Ooh I think you've nailed it. It's this, absolutely.

It's a great way of shutting down a class of women who will probably have alot more time & resourses than average to devote to battling female oppression by casting them as uber priviledged oppressors.

Yes, this is it exactly. Plus divide and conquer - turning women against each other and erasing women as a class, and as a biological sex.

I'm finding reading about this is actually becoming damaging to my mental health (which is not that fragile).

When Germaine Greer said women have no idea how much men hate us, I always thought she was probably right - but it was not 'real' to me. Now, I'm really seeing it. Actual hatred.

This is not just an assault on women's rights - it's an assault on all women.

When Germaine Greer said women have no idea how much men hate us, I always thought she was probably right - but it was not 'real' to me. Now, I'm really seeing it. Actual hatred.

Yes this. I truly understood what she meant now. It's no longer lurking in the shadows but is very much mainstream. Perhaps in a way we should thank TRAs and their allies, we definitely know where we stand now.

I'm not the first to make that point, but I absolutely think it's the crux - crush the more powerful opposition first + divide and conquer = win.

AreYouOr I know exactly what you're saying, I've pretty much had to come off Twitter because my mh can't take it and I'm an anxious personality type at the best of times...I was only a lurker there but it peak transed me and taught me so much, however the dark side was like the gateway to Buffy's Hellmouth.

I'm so glad I found MN, it's much more calm, reasoned & sane

I sometimes wish I could go back to sleep but I can't so I think the only way forward is to take action where we can - putting all the anger to good use is a positive.

We need to fight even if it feels hopeless. I don't think I can live with myself if I don't try.

My skin is white, but the Nazis would have gassed me. They would have considered me racially impure.
People who show more hatred to women than to Trump and abusive men are outing themselves.

I saw a man on Twitter wish that terfs should were forced to wear a badge, the reply was 'what do you mean, like a yellow star?' and he had to backtrack pretty fast.

Sorry if this sounds stupid. I think I missed something here (Not surprising maybe, as this issue has more layers than an onion) but since when are WOC a "subset" of women? Surely we are ALL just women?

Apart from Transwomen, who are actually men.

Am I being too simple?

I saw that one too Crow.

And that wee fucker Madigan saying that all 'TERFs' must be banished from the Labour Party. Little bastard who actually thinks he is in charge of Labour policy. It's fucking chilling

twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/959809899822768129
(for those who are blocked by LM, ooen the link in a private window and you will be able to see it)

Foraging - it's one of the latest gas lighting attempts by TRAs to insinuate white feminists are racist (a bad thing) therefore excluding men from feminism/womanhood is an equivalent bad thing.

This seems particularly prevalent in the US where women wearing pussy hats were accused of racism when the real goal was to stop women of all colours making reference to their biology.

Ah. Thank you Ova. I assumed it was coming from the TRAs, but wondered if there was more to it.

Makes THEM the racists surely? I hope they get called out for it.

Quite a few black women objecting to this racist framing by TRAs on Twitter. Good. Because it's the height of hypocrisy - transactivism is a largely male, bourgeois, white movement. It's why it's got so far, so fast.

As for me - I'm a white, working class woman. Alright for cash but nothing posh about me.

I am also fed up of this. If you question it then you are racist

As usual with "intersectional" feminism it's totally illogical. They argue men need to be on board, because they have the power to change things. But white women can fuck off as they are blinkered and don't appreciate the power they have.

The other really irritating thing is it paradoxically suppresses the voices of WOC, by putting all the focus on fighting "white feminists". Why can't we talk about black feminists as part of feminism instead?

Gah. I don't even know if I'm making sense but there seems to be a lot of racism driving modern feminism and I don't think it comes from the more traditional feminists

Who else knows white middle class men better than white middle class women.

Reading 'check your white cis privilege' from a weedy, white middle class brat frankly boils my piss. Do they not realise the majority of women, regardless of colour/class will not fancy having their spaces impinged on by men? They really are in for a nasty shock once this all hits the public domain (the world outside of Twitter).

Totally agree OP. This 'white feminism' whingeing seems like a good way to silence a huge number of women, except under the banner of 'inclusivity' rather than what silencing women actually is - misogyny. ALL women are oppressed regardless of colour and social status. I concede as a white woman I am not as oppressed as a WOC, however that does not eradicate my right to be heard and to liberated from oppression.

Sorry that was meant to read 'check you white cis privilege' from a weedy, white, MALE middle class brat..'

Re the Rose McGowan attacks - it's like they've gone "how can we attack a rape victim but come across as the good guys in it? I KNOW! Accuse her of racism because she hasn't mentioned she's still better off than blacks people.". And the worst thing is people actually fall for it. I feel so powerless, I've spent my life since a teenager actively fighting for women's rights, and I, we, are losing. Or it certainly feels like we are anyway.

I am a feminist. I am white. Therefore I am a white feminist. Nothing I can do about that.

The backlash over F1 dropping grid girls has brought some really committed misogyny to the surface as well. All these men who suddenly really care about women's employment. Beverley Turner hasn't exactly covered herself in glory during this debate, but she made the point earlier that Sainsburys' restructuring will put many women out of work, yet there's silence from all the men so concerned about grid girls losing a day's pay.

It's interesting how racism is like a trump card in certain circles. Obviously it doesn't reflect the racism and structural oppression in the wider world, but within certain circles there's a whole different hierachy - it's The Worst Thing to be called racist, but go ahead and be sexist, disablist, critical of people with a poor education, if it helps you make a point about an "ism" you care about... ( Brexit)

And the idea of privilege of a class of people is used to shut down individuals who try to speak up about a different, um... axis of oppression (?). Eg. "white feminism" = you're white, therefore you're privileged, despite FEMinism being about sex, not race.

Obviously this, um... activist hierachy... means actual vulnerable and/or oppressed groups get overlooked. Eg. being say, female, mentally ill, and poor should get a bunch of points in the oppression Olympics, but funnily enough, the SJWs don't care, because... you're female, mentally ill, and poor.

I suspect that even though race is the trump card when it comes to debates arguments from largely white, male (quelle surprise) SJWs, they dont actually listen on an interpersonal level.

Quite sad to read some of these comments to be honest.

We are privileged because we are white, absolutely. Believe me, my childhood was no walk in the park, full of abuse etc, but privilege does not mean that nothing bad has ever happened to you. It means that had you experienced the same issues as a WOC you're likely to have had greater difficulties relating to those issues. I grew up in a diverse city and I absolutely have seen that to be true.