When did 'White, Middle Class Women' become the scum of the earth

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So utterly sick of women being attacked for being white and middle class,

It's ALL over twitter. 'Check your fucking privilege'. Fuck off.

While I might appear privileged now I certainly didn't come from it and these wankers wouldn't want my early life giftwrapped.

Before the trans thing, I had no idea how hated women are by a lot of people. Including some women, it seems.

Having a fuming Sunday morning and it's too early for

The issue is that those using the "middle class white feminist" line is that they aren't actually doing it to point out racism and classism in feminism in order to address it. They aren't actually doing anything to help women of color or poor & working my class women. They aren't doing any kind of analysis. They aren't amplifying the voices of those less privileged. They aren't advocating or doing any activism around issues that affect and are important to women of color or poor women.

They are using "white middle class feminist" as an insult. They are using it as a way to shut down women. They are using it as a way to shut women up. And the people who are using it the most tend to be white, middle and upper class males. People who have more privilege than those they are accusing of being blind to privilege.

It's oppression olympics. It's a silencing tactic using the less privilege as shield. It's a way for privileged white men to tell women to shut up while still maintaining their lefty "woke" status.

Those using "white middle class feminist" don't give a flying fuck about poor women or women of color. They also deny that sexism exists and affects all women regardless of income or skin color.

It's being used as anti-feminist silencing technique. That's the issue here.

I am white and middle class. I can only do white, middle class feminism.

I am wholly conscious of my privilege, and where I can, I'll use it to amplify the voices of those who don't have it. I am an ally when and where it's appropriate for me to do so, and silent when my voice isn't needed.

My voice is absolutely not needed in defence of penis rights and men's hurt feelings about the material reality of women, and I'm automatically suspicious of anyone who tells me it ought to be

Yy - exactly this

"White middle class feminist" is used an insult to try to silence the speaker, to make them doubt that what they are saying is valid. It's guilt-tripping whilst hoping that pesky female socialisation will kick in to make the speaker apologise for and retract their claim.

It's being used as anti-feminist silencing technique. That's the issue here.

Exactly. The current bleating about white feminism is both sexist and racist. It's just the newest way of framing posh white blokes in dresses as the most oppressed and only people allowed to ever say anything.

Fancy
"Youre telling me that had your life circumstances been the same but you hadn't been white, it would have been no more difficult?"

I have not said that, in any way. My beef is that being called white and middle class is an insult meant to shut down debate and that being white, middle class and female effectively means STFU. It's not about WOC. I am not comparing myself to WOC in any way.

It's the identity politics that I object to.

Thank you Lang

It is " Posh white blokes who wish to express stereotypical femininity by colonising women's spaces."

I may be expressing myself badly today. I am seriously fucking furious that Rose McGowan has been accused of 'white, cis privileged' when talking about her own rape.

Between that and Women's Aid saying that Self Id'ed TIMs will be employed in Women's shelters and speaking out about it gets me called white, privileged, middle class cis bitch, does tend to enrage me somewhat, funnily enough

exactly, timbuktu and lunamoth-mine is a good faith position. And I will absolutely be thoughtless or flat footed at time when it some to BAME or class issues, but the answer to that is not for me to stop doing the feminism that I can do. Getting derailed by the quest for ideological purity never helped anyone.

And, more to the point, when a posh white bloke in a frock is framing his relationship to womanhood as the same as a black woman's relationship to womanhood, IT IS AS RACIST AS FUCK.

Pointing this out is not white bloody feminism.

it really is, langcleg.

As a wiser woman than me once said, that is nothing but running a nice warm bath of someone else’s oppression and hopping in for a wank.

The recent twitter furore about trans women being a subset of women exactly the same as black women was astounding. The implications of that are appalling.

Yes, I found that utterly disgusting and beyond offensive.

They have taken the origins of intersectional feminism and bastardised it as a gotcha to make out penis exclusion is the same as racism.

This is exactly what they have done. I am so sick of hearing 'if your feminism is not intersectional then its bullshit' when it actually means, if you do not centre male people in feminism, and stop everything else you are fighting for to fight for these male people, then its bullshit. I did actually think the entire notion of intersectional was bollocks, given how it is used. but it turns out that its not intersectionality thats total crap, its just used in the wrong way. I read a good article on this recently

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/intersectionality-what-it-is-what-it-is-why-its-been-debased/

Quite long but to the point.

It's social engineering and people need to wake up before it's too late. Intersectionality is all about divide and conquer. There is an onslaught of attacking western culture, it's everywhere. Largely driven by left wing idiots. I'm waiting for it to reach its no doubt hideous conclusion.

Each group fighting for rights, will start to undermine other groups, then all "rights" will disappear.

"I do sometimes wonder how much of the calling out culture actually comes from marginalised groups of women and how much is just infighting and virtue signalling amongst wmc women (and men!)"

It's partly main stream media, fuelling the oppression wars. I'm sick of it, the bloody constant lies, partial truths, It's driving me nuts. I just assume now that everything I see is a lie unless I can prove otherwise.

I can't stand the word privilege... it needs consigning to the rubbish bin, then people need to get back to being individuals rather than sub divided to these little groups.

Looking at some of the Twitter threads regarding Rise McGowan calling her a ‘white privileged ciswoman’.

And so many of the comments were accompanied by gifs featuring black men and women rolling their eyes etc

And it all just feels like this group is trying to appropriate that status - and yet I’d suggest so many of the transwomen commenting on rose McGowan’s ethnicity are white.

It’s so disingenuous.

Reading 'check your white cis privilege' from a weedy, white middle class brat frankly boils my piss. Do they not realise the majority of women, regardless of colour/class will not fancy having their spaces impinged on by men? They really are in for a nasty shock once this all hits the public domain (the world outside of Twitter).

Mine too. And yes, they are in for a shock.

because white middle class women are soon to be no longer useful for the cultural revolution underway. They will be turned into the "oppressors" and rights taken away.
People seem more concerned with trump, than the risk from the left-
What's happening in like a communist take over- like the destruction of the "four olds" in china. I see it happening all the time, the dividing of groups, the attacks on culture and religion- were told they are oppressive, it's just a way of removing it, like in communist china when they started destroying statues. We're heading for something really bad here I feel certain.

They are using "white middle class feminist" as an insult. They are using it as a way to shut down women. They are using it as a way to shut women up. And the people who are using it the most tend to be white, middle and upper class males. People who have more privilege than those they are accusing of being blind to privilege.

It's oppression olympics. It's a silencing tactic using the less privilege as shield. It's a way for privileged white men to tell women to shut up while still maintaining their lefty "woke" status.

YY. Exactly this.

White middle class feminist" is used an insult to try to silence the speaker, to make them doubt that what they are saying is valid. It's guilt-tripping whilst hoping that pesky female socialisation will kick in to make the speaker apologise for and retract their claim.

And also this. Spot on.

You know what though? I'm a white middle class feminist, and I will never really know what women of colour experience. But I try to understand their viewpoints, just like I try to imagine the lives of women who have grown up in Iran, or who have been refugees, or have experienced domestic abuse. I'll never know, and I'll never truly understand, but I have to make every effort to listen to their voices. That's what being a human is about.

What fucks me off about TRAs is their total lack of ability to look beyond themselves, to even try to educate themselves. But above all, their refusal to even countenance that someone other than themselves may have (more) valid experience of oppression. And to try and understand how truly terrible the experiences of some women and girls are - raped at eight months old. Cis privilege. Undergone FGM. Cis privilege. Born into sex slavery. Cis privilege. Beyond my contempt, really.

on 1 June, the party’s official mouthpiece newspaper urged the masses to “clear away the evil habits of the old society” by launching an all-out assault on “monsters and demons"
These were defined as "the landlords, rich peasants, counter revolutionaries, bad elements, and rightists who have not thoroughly transformed themselves".
Then destruction of the four olds- old habits, old culture, old customs, old thinking.

• maos china

I see the parallels with what is happening now. The destruction of the olds is by social engineering, naming everything oppressive. Monsters and demons are oppressors. If your not "progressive" you're a bigot. Our very culture is supposedly oppressive, its in order to reshape it.

Left wing politics have killed millions.

Older women are really reviled as well, aren't they? I think that goes for older black women too - look at how Diane Abbott has been treated by the media.

Clumsy wording, sorry. I meant "all older women" and was not trying to make out that older black women are something separate.

I don't think identity politics reflects the difficulty people have in their lives- you can be a white male ( so called priviliged), and have a shit life, born into poverty, suffered abuse. You can be from a oppressed group, ie a black female and have a good upbringing. The division of groups says very little about the difficulty individuals encounter.

The saddest thing is that the world actually still needs white "cis" feminism - as Rose McG and the whole #MeToo movement demonstrate.

If wealthy white women in first world countries are still being systematically treated as a sub-class, abused and raped by male predators then we can't actually move past the whole feminism thing, can we?

If wealthy white women in first world countries are still being systematically treated as a sub-class, abused and raped by male predators then we can't actually move past the whole feminism thing, can we

Exactly. If those of us who enjoy the "privilege" of being white, middle class feminists all have a #MeToo story, get paid less than our male peers, become invisible to society, suffer DV at the hands of our partners, get murdered by our partners, see our careers falter whilst our male colleagues press ahead etc etc....what hope for those women who have additional hurdles to clear?