When did 'White, Middle Class Women' become the scum of the earth

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So utterly sick of women being attacked for being white and middle class,

It's ALL over twitter. 'Check your fucking privilege'. Fuck off.

While I might appear privileged now I certainly didn't come from it and these wankers wouldn't want my early life giftwrapped.

Before the trans thing, I had no idea how hated women are by a lot of people. Including some women, it seems.

Having a fuming Sunday morning and it's too early for

I've seen similar attitudes emerging from TRAs and their allies about cis white gay men too. I think there are parallels there to cis white MC women being used as a pejorative.

White gay men have had a leading voice in the LGBT over the last few decades and like white MC women often have a degree of economic power. It's probable that after women and lesbian women they are the most likely group to peak trans due to it directly affecting them (though I do wish they'd get a move on collectively).

They are probably coming after white gay men for very similar reasons as many of us.

Sorry that last sentence ended up as word salad. Obviously we are not going after gay men

At the moment, white feminist is the new TERF.

Most women called TERF have no idea what radical feminism even is. Likewise, I have seen at least three black women called white feminist on Twitter JUST TODAY. JUST ME. It's stuff and nonsense.

If you're a white woman who tells black women that there is no room to talk about racism in feminist discourse then yes - you deserve to get called a white feminist as a pejorative and you should probably reflect on that.

If a transactivist or transactivist ally calls you a white feminist, just tell them to fuck off. It's bullshit. They're just trying to make you centre penis. As usual.

at least three black women called white feminist on Twitter JUST TODAY

These people are fucking ridiculous

I think once they start seriously coming after gay men (any men) they will have had it.

Everyone hates the middle classes and white is the new middle class. Being a woman doesn't protect you these days, not that it ever really did. Privilege is about perspective. The greatest privileges I've had in life were, objectively, the greatest disadvantages in my life. It's called growing up working through your shit instead of blaming a lack of 'proviledge' for your failures.

These people are fucking ridiculous

I mean, talk about peak trans. I'm on my way to the outer space of trans.

All three were black women who had the effrontery to stick up for Rose McGowan, by the way.

Yeah, it’s just another way to say, ‘shut up, bitches’.

It’s the very fact we are white, middle class and therefore have more agency and power than perhaps any other group of women that makes us such a threat. We need smacking down before we get too full of ourselves.

How about the many white working class women/WOC who are not particularly 'radical' on the feminist front but still have the same fears and objections to penises in their private space? What slurs are going to be thrown at them by the posh self entitled white blokes?

@bravobravo they'll be called ignorant transphobic bigots obviously.

name changer Im a childfree by choice white working class feminist social housing tenant

People get very uncomfortable when you dont fit the stereotype.

As a woman and a tenant the vitriol ive seen whipped up against tenants in recent years has been appalling. While i can understand the concern over trans issues its so far away from me that its not something that i see as a threat to my own safety.

Whereas the issues tenants are facing are much closer to home

Reframing of the narrative is happening with a lot of subjects.

Reframing of the narrative is happening with a lot of subjects

Yes I agree there's a class war going on which is being waged with many of the same bullying, gaslighting, DARVOing tactics as this war on women.

If you're a white woman who tells black women that there is no room to talk about racism in feminist discourse then yes - you deserve to get called a white feminist as a pejorative and you should probably reflect on that.

If a transactivist or transactivist ally calls you a white feminist, just tell them to fuck off. It's bullshit. They're just trying to make you centre penis. As usual.

YY. Exactly this.

YY - to all the above observations.

Here's where I'm at today - I and many other "cis white middle class women" are members of collectives in our community that, rather sitting on Twitter all day, flashing our "woke" credentials are out and about, using our resources and privilege to actively try and help those that don't have our advantages.

It is us who are organising soup kitchens, food collections, clothing collections, sanitary products etc for the homeless and refugees. It is us who are raising money for underfunded schools, or for individuals in need. We are making up hampers and wrapping donated presents and delivering them to those that would have no Christmas otherwise. We advocate for trafficked and prostituted women in our communities. We are volunteering to take elderly people to their medical appointments/do their shopping/run groups. We get out and clean our local communities and on and on and on.

Yes other demographics do all that as well, just as much. "White cis women" are not intrinsically the most compassionate of all the compassionate people on the planet but nor are we, collectively spoilt, selfish princesses that wallow and indulge in the privilege that was handed to us by the accident of our birth.

I will not be shamed for something I had no control in creating (the circumstances of my existence) especially when I have used those circumstances in as many ways as I can, to try and redress the inequalities that are painfully apparent.

But here's the thing, whilst the structures that wage class warfare on the population still exist, no amount of caring or volunteering is going to make a blind bit of difference. It is pissing in the wind. Those with the structural power (and that is never women, of any skin colour or socio-economic background) need to give up their lust for dominance and superiority.

So, to all the superwoke identifarions, in the words of Rose McGowan "I know what I have done for the world and you should be fucking grateful - step the fuck back!".

YY Dick To reiterate though i may not be concerned for my own safety re things like changing rooms but i do not want or like the idea of young teenage girls going into the changing rooms at TopShop and being confronted with a Muscato type.

bravobravo Mon 05-Feb-18 00:28:24
"How about the many white working class women/WOC who are not particularly 'radical' on the feminist front but still have the same fears and objections to penises in their private space? What slurs are going to be thrown at them by the posh self entitled white blokes"

I dread to think bravo.

I think the reason a lot of working class women dont feel engaged in feminism may be because they dont feel included. When people are discussing the gender pay gap, the woman stacking shelves in the supermarket may not feel that it relates to her because she wont get more than minimum wage anyway.

She may think "well the women at the BBC are getting thousands more than i am so what are they complaining about"

im NOT having a go at feminists btw sorry if thats the way it comes across.

Thus is what I find difficult about identity politics - it seems to ignore class and economic power.

There are plenty of young white working class men and women growing up in areas of multiple deprivation. They have nothing. There is nothing for them.

Identity politics doesn’t address this. It just seems to want to tell these people that they are privileged.

Tinycitrus - agreed. And this is what intersectionality was supposed to address (I thought). Not create the Oppression Olympics

www.katebelgrave.com/2018/02/intentionally-homeless-with-kids-council-will-house-the-kids-but-not-you-ie-youll-be-separated-from-them-the-hell-with-this/

Thus is what I find difficult about identity politics - it seems to ignore class and economic power.

Yes. And this is what tells you most SJW guff isn't intersectional at all. Because it ignores a vital axis of privilege in class.

Chiwetel Ejiofor, for example, may be disadvantaged against his fellow privately educated thespians such as Benedict Cumberbatch and Tom Hiddleston because he is black. But there is no power on earth that can convince me that a working class boy from a sink estate is privileged over Ejiofor because he is white.

And it's another reason why middle class, white, socialised male TIMs fresh from their Russell Group university safe spaces are NOT the most oppressed demographic ever.

Ages ago on the Guilty Feminist podcast they had the woman who campaigns against FGM on. I can’t remember her name but she is awesome and she runs the Dahlia Project.

She said when it comes to different areas of feminism she understands that we all have different battles to fight, but though a certain fight may not be her battle she will stand by those fighting it.

I think of feminism like that. I can’t speak for black women because I’m not black but I will stand by them and I will fight with them.

I totally agree that it’s basically a way of shutting women up. It’s a more insidious version of the whole ‘but what about the women in Saudi Arabi’ shit that gets trotted out.

A timely thread for me to come across. I’m a Black woman. Yesterday a White gay friend angrily berated me for arguing that trans women are men by definition. Apparently I “of all people” should be aware of the evils of discrimination and he cannot believe I am adhering to transphobic views and denying trans women their “rightful” identities.

He then went on to tell me that I also need to be aware of my privilege when I travel as I have visited countries where gay men and women are persecuted because of their sexuality.

I’m glad he educated me. I had no idea that over the years whilst travelling when I have been sexually harassed, racially abused on occasion, barred by door staff from going into a bar with White colleagues because “we already have enough black people in there”( that was a particular little gem in Germany) that I was in such a privileged position.

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

There is a subset of men who identify as women. They had success taking over the LGBT organizations but have now run into a bit of trouble in their efforts to convert all Gays and Lesbians to Trans or expel them from the organizations. This may sound familiar.
The most recent effort is to use black women as an analogy for the way trans identified males are a subset of category woman. Trans women are no more women than hot dogs are dogs.
Trans identified males are a subset of males and the rest of the males need to bloody well step up and rein in these abuses of women and stop demanding that we submit to these trans identified males dominance displays in women's safe spaces.