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So this is actual violent transphobia enacted by men and not a feminist in sight

17 replies

OvaHere · 02/02/2018 08:31

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/29/indonesian-police-arrest-12-transgender-women-and-shave-their-heads-to-make-them-men/

What you feel about the issues around transgenderism this is clearly appalling human rights abuse.

Perhaps LM would like to focus their next article or campaign on this rather than pretending to be scared of Linda Bellos.

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LostSight · 02/02/2018 08:39

That is awful to read.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 02/02/2018 08:41

Yes this is appalling.

AngryAttackKittens · 02/02/2018 08:45

Shaving someone's head is a way of publicly shaming them in a lot of cultures. There's been a uptick in anti-gay rhetoric in Indonesia recently so I'm not surprised they're going after waria now too.

I'm sure Pink News will find a way to blame this on women, somehow.

Scrumplestiltskin · 02/02/2018 08:51

Really, honestly? I can't bring myself to weep over males having their heads shaved, in a province that has Shariah law in effect. Imagine what actual females are vulnerable to, and suffering, in a community under Shariah law?
Of course, I'm sure it's nowhere near as terrible as males having their heads shaved Hmm

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 02/02/2018 08:55

I'm appalled by human rights abuses of women and girls and human rights abuses of gay, lesbian and gnc people. It's not a zero sum game.

NotTerfNorCis · 02/02/2018 09:00

Some folk have found a way to indirectly blame 'TERFs'... twitter.com/mimmymum/status/958329006889238533

AngryAttackKittens · 02/02/2018 09:03

Yes, I'm sure that Indonesia is full of radical feminists who've pushed the government into enacting Sharia law in Aceh.

Justabunchofcunts · 02/02/2018 09:13

I think the report is terrible, that I would call transphobia. I don't think it's right to then compare that with other wrongs and argue which is worse. They are all wrong, and that line does our argument no favours.

rowdywoman1 · 02/02/2018 09:15

Totally appalling and indefensible.
It's no good when we lose our sense of proportion and empathy. Let's leave that to the MRAs / misogynists.

Geronimoleapinglizards · 02/02/2018 11:41

I think it's absolutely appalling. No one deserves to be treated like that.

My heart did sink on reading it though. I can see it being used by TRA's over here along the lines of 'look how violent society is towards trans people.' I have no doubt some trans people have a hard life and are scared of harassment but this is still an extreme incident which we will (hopefully) never see happen in the UK.

I think it's just going to cement younger peoples' idea that trans people are the most horribly oppressed people ever and argue even more vociferously in favour of #nodebate

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 02/02/2018 12:03

The more they bang on about how scary Linda Bellos is while male violence against gnc people rages on in the background the more they expose the unreason of their position.

pisacake · 02/02/2018 12:21

I don't think it's true AT ALL that this is transphobia.

Indonesian 'transwomen' are 'ladyboys' - effeminate homosexual men.

Historically large numbers of homosexual men in Indonesia, Thailand and other places have expressed their sexuality as ladyboys. This may be due to homophobia, as a 'ladyboy' is more acceptable than two male-presenting men in a sexual relationship.

Indonesia has a had a recent backlash against homosexuality. They don't give two shiny shits about 'trans' specifically, they hate homosexuals in general, because the Islamists (FPI) have teamed up with the army (Prabowo, an actual Nazi) to implement neofascist Islamist policy as a way to con the people and enrich themselves using shitty religious politics.

To wit you can see gay men (and I must repeat the 'transgender' people here are gay men, they are not the autogynephiles you get in the West) being caned in public in Aceh for having gay sex. www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39996224 And recently a visiting male student arrested for propositioning a male taxi driver over Whatsapp. www.tribunnews.com/regional/2018/01/07/mahasiswa-diduga-homo-diamankan-polisi-terungkap-setelah-memesan-transportasi-online You have 'suspected' lesbians being arrested in Aceh for the suspicious activity of hugging. www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/10/01/island-focus-two-alleged-lesbians-arrested-aceh.html You have 15-year-old girls arrested for being lesbians. news.detik.com/berita/2523204/diamankan-polisi-syariat-2-cewek-di-banda-aceh-ini-mengaku-lesbian The lesbians are subject to conversion 'therapy' habadaily.com/polhukam/5946/pasangan-lesbian-tertangkap-yang-bikin-gempar.html

You can see gay men being imprisoned in Jakarta for homosexual acts using the pretext of Indonesia's fascistic anti-pornography laws (again backed by scumbag authoritarian Islamonazis) www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indonesia-gay-club-strippers-staff-imprisoned-atlantis-spa-sauna-raid-jakarta-lgbt-rights-homophobia-a8111701.html You can see gay men being arrested in Surabaya, East Java for having sex (again the anti-porn law) www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/05/01/eight-men-arrested-for-having-a-gay-party/

You can see Air Asia withdrawing every woman from working on flights to Aceh because the scumbag Islamofascists said women flight crew must wear a scarf www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/02/01/airasia-to-roster-only-male-crew-for-aceh-flights.html

So let's not accept this 'transphobia' rhetoric. The 'transwomen' are homosexuals, they have been widely accepted in Indonesian society for far longer than either homosexuals or transvestites in the UK, but now some scumbag medieval Islamist fascists have decided to come along and fuck everything up. The ladyboys here were working in a salon, likely serving female clients, and were integrated

Aceh is under Sharia law which is a savage inhuman ideology that is not fit for ANYONE, it's not fit for Aceh, it's not for the UK, it's not fit for gays and neither for straights. This has nothing to do with transphobia, but should properly be seen as a reflection of fundamentalist Islamist currents which express themselves in anti-gay, anti-women, etc., ways in Indonesia. The Islamofascists are paid by extremists directly from Saudi Arabia, they hate Jews, they hate gays, they hate women, they hate the West, they hate just about everybody, and they have a pipeline directly into a large proportion of the country's mosques.

That's why in the 70s a primary school in Jakarta looked like this v-images2.antarafoto.com/sekolah-obama-jvt0of-prv.jpg and why today it would look more like this i.ytimg.com/vi/U1SAfFoqQ3c/maxresdefault.jpg

Shitty conservative fascistic religion backed by billions and billions of dollars.

But no, it doesn't have anything to do whatsoever with the rights of a male rapist to go to a women's prison or some poor kid to be put on female hormones or whatever else some idiot trans-activist will come up with.

pisacake · 02/02/2018 12:24

And that mimmymum idiot has a reply by 'Lauren Pleska' a transactivist who is literally named to honour someone who wanted to murder a (male) terf. Violence, schmiolence.

She didn't say a damn word when lesbians were being arrested in Aceh and being sent to re-education camps. But some 'transwomen'? Different story.

Geronimoleapinglizards · 02/02/2018 16:32

Brilliant post pisa

Ereshkigal · 02/02/2018 16:56

And that mimmymum idiot has a reply by 'Lauren Pleska' a transactivist who is literally named to honour someone who wanted to murder a (male) terf. Violence, schmiolence.

Oh wow of course.

Ereshkigal · 02/02/2018 16:57

Agree that this is homophobia as is most awful male violence towards trans identified males.

Ereshkigal · 02/02/2018 16:59

Not just in the Islamic world but in Latin America too.

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