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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans extremism & schools

101 replies

greenlanes · 30/01/2018 20:22

I saw this today on TES. How can this crap be stopped?

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/transphobes-are-driving-childrens-confusion-about-gender-not-trans

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Ereshkigal · 31/01/2018 08:42

If you look at the DfE's equality document, one of the links is to 'anti - bullying advice' fro GIRES. Of course the links don't get you to a policy , it's a general page with an invitation to contact GIRES directly. Since when does the DfE allow private interest groups to advertise themselves via statutory guidance documents for schools (Never would be the correct answer).

This "anti-bullying advice" approach appears to be a front for pro gender identity, often inappropriately sexualised material all over the world. See also the Australian "Safe Schools" programme which was also billed as an "anti bullying initiative." https://unsafeschools.org/the-australian-safe-schools-program-la-trobe-university/

Datun · 31/01/2018 09:12

Nuffaluff

Stephanie Davis Arai of Trangendertrend is working on an alternative guide for schools.

She is well aware of the politicising of the trans agenda.

Her website provides support for trans children and their parents.

She is a gender critical feminist and is fully cognisant with how it is damaging children. Both trans and not trans.

Non trans girls, especially masculine presenting ones, are looking at the way boys are being celebrated in school for 'being female' and all the accoutrements that go with it, and are having an 'identity crisis' of their own.

If that is what girls are supposed to be like, then what on earth am I? A boy?

I believe she is close to publishing her guide, but it might well be worth contacting her via her website.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 31/01/2018 09:18

I believe she is close to publishing her guide, but it might well be worth contacting her via her website

Will you let us know when she does?

Datun · 31/01/2018 09:29

YetAnotherSpartacus

Absolutely!

It will be posted here by me (and others).

In the meantime, I typed 'schools' into the search box - link below

I urge anyone who has dealings with children to get a cup of tea and have a 20 minute read.

She analyses the current guidance, both here and elsewhere.

It makes sobering reading. But, will also give you some invaluable insight into exactly how the ideology is being deliberately 'marketed'.

Knowing how it works is like a vaccination. You immediately become resistant to the spin. Instantly being able to recognise it for what it is.

www.transgendertrend.com/?s=Schools&submit=Search

Datun · 31/01/2018 10:42

Apologies. Stephanie has already put something on her website. It must have passed me by. I can't keep track.

Another poster has started a thread about it, but I thought I would put here too.

www.transgendertrend.com/schools-resources/

rowdywoman1 · 31/01/2018 11:22

Datun,
I believe that there is an up dated version of these documents in preparation.

Datun · 31/01/2018 11:26

Thanks rowdywoman1

That makes sense.

LangCleg · 31/01/2018 11:45

This is where strategic litigation would help.

A test case forcing schools to balance statutory safeguarding responsibilities with sensitive treatment of children with gender issues.

UpstartCrow · 31/01/2018 11:45

Does anyone have the link to the guidance for children with learning difficulties? Because that contradicts her bizarre claim that trans activists say children should be allowed to wear whatever they want.

rowdywoman1 · 31/01/2018 11:58

LanceCleg

It shouldn't even need a test case. The laws are so clear - the welfare of the child is paramount. Any group (cough... funded by the DfE and NHS... cough) going round promoting dangerous inappropriate safeguarding 'advice' should be told to STOP immediately and have their funding withdrawn.

But when the National Association of Headteachers (NAHT) promotes 'transgender guidelines' with no definition of transphobia, just the implication that anything that challenges a trans orthodoxy must be bullying, cheerfully conflates 'inclusivity' with trans privilege and states without any hesitation:
"If any member of school staff does not wish to use the ‘ladies’ or ‘gents’ toilets or facilities with a trans person then it is they, not the trans person, who should be asked to use alternative facilities"
So goodbye to the breastfeeding teacher wanting to check any leakage in privacy, the woman suffering from heavy periods wanting to deal with the aftermath, the Muslim women teachers who would never share toilets with the opposite sex. Goodbye. Off you go. No place for you here.

In the face of all this Orwellian propaganda, it's a brave headteacher who would challenge this. Although how on earth schools with predominantly Muslim intakes are dealing with this I cannot imagine?

LangCleg · 31/01/2018 12:07

rowdywoman1

What would be the best route to force schools to abide by statutory obligations though, if they're currently not doing it?

rowdywoman1 · 31/01/2018 12:21

LanceCleg
Rather than drag individual schools into this, I think challenging the DfE is the way to go.
Why are they actively promoting these political pressure groups to schools?
What are they doing about government funded groups breaching safeguarding guidelines telling teachers they can keep confidentiality?
Why are government funded groups using suicide statistics in defiance of the Samaritan's guidelines about reporting suicide and statistics?

Is this now government policy etc?

The Dfe have an online complaints process which can be used.

www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-education/about/complaints-procedure#how-to-make-a-complaint-about-the-department-for-education

Datun · 31/01/2018 12:23

rowdywoman1

I've PM'd you.

rowdywoman1 · 31/01/2018 12:23

LanceCleg
Sorry, realise that the above doesn't answer your question about schools.

I'd use the new guidance from Transgendertrend as a starter:

www.transgendertrend.com/schools/

whoputthecatout · 31/01/2018 12:24

Groups such as GIRES and Mermaids are charities. The Charity Commission rules on campaigning are pretty specific i.e. a charity cannot be set up for a political purpose although it may engage in political activity or campaigning to achieve its purpose.

I imagine these groups take legal etc. advice on their activities but I can't help feeling they are sailing pretty close to the wind in some of their activities.

LangCleg · 31/01/2018 12:28

rowdywoman1 - I do see what you are saying but we seem to be operating in an environment where all institutions have folded in the face of extreme transactivism and are pretending the statutory framework doesn't exist. Individual complaints to the DfE aren't going to cut it, are they? Any more than complaints about possibly unlawful benefits changes got any hearing before brave individuals won court battles.

LangCleg · 31/01/2018 12:30

Perhaps gender critical parents should start applying to be parent governors (or lay governors) of their children's schools? And objecting to Mermaids or GIRES resources being used, after having armed themselves with information about the ways in which these resources are unlawful with regard to statutory safeguarding obligations?

rowdywoman1 · 31/01/2018 12:43

LanceCleg
Although I think you're right, I do know that when you're on the receiving end of complaints and FOIs, they can make organisations suddenly realise that they are breaking a law. Most of these complaints etc get scrutiny from lawyers. It's quite an experience when you've written something defending a practice and the borough solicitor comes back to you saying 'you do realise that the complainant actually has a case under law!' but you'd never realised it Blush

But yes, we do have to organise and call out all the unintended consequences and dangers.

cromeyellow0 · 31/01/2018 13:39

This 2015 documentLicence to be Yourselfis intriguing for showing that what's happened in British schools is part of a well-funded global campaign. It's produced by the Open Society Foundation of George Soros' (one of the three U.S. billionaires bankrolling transactivism).

www.opensocietyfoundations.org/sites/default/files/lgr_trans-children-youth-20151120.pdf

"This brief ... summarizes key arguments made by those opposing access to legal gender recognition. This resource focuses on minimum age restrictions that deny trans children and youth the right to legal gender recognition. It provides arguments that can be used by those advocating for rights-based gender recognition laws and policies."

The UK is mentioned: GIRES working with NHS is an illustration of best practice.

One of the objections addressed is the idea that girls might be unsafe or uncomfortable in changing rooms.

"Bullying" is a key term throughout the document, which ties in with Erishgal's point.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 31/01/2018 13:45

This 2015 document--Licence to be Yourself*

What a terrifying document. It pretends to be oh so caring about the rights of girls to safe spaces, but utterly minimises and glosses over real concerns whilst offering up clever arguments that ride roughshod over the needs and feelings of girls.

rowdywoman1 · 31/01/2018 14:19

cromeyellow0

So glad you posted this. It is a terrifying document.
I got a sense of it when I read the NAHT guidelines about Trans staff.

Everything is 'glossed over' so even though it's about trans, the document conflates LGBT with trans and weaves in and out with vague assumptions.

I did note this sentence from their legal guidelines:

The Equality Act does not go as far as to protect all trans people, for example, nonbinary people or those who are not undergoing any formal process to transition their gender.
We, therefore, recommend that policies explicitly state that all trans people, including non-binary people, are protected from discrimination, bullying and harassment in your school

See how that works? The law doesn't apply for self ID but we want you to make it apply anyway. And of course, who is going to stand up and say, "no, we must not include all trans people", especially when you're talking about equality issues.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/01/2018 14:28

YY, all of the guidance seems to be "ahead of the law"

On residential trans children must be allowed to sleep with others if their identified gender.

If girls object to a TIM using their facilities they should gently be told how transphobic they are

The Scottish version is available here:

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/news/supporting-transgender-young-people-in-education

And has already been adopted by several councils.

cromeyellow0 · 31/01/2018 14:46

Following up on the language of bullying which seems to be pervasive, I just came across very wealthy anti-bullying charity Ditch the Label. It has annual income of £300,000. It works with UK schools.

Google search for words on its website: 877 instances of "transgender" or "trans"; 84 of "lesbian".

Sample inspiring story:
www.ditchthelabel.org/my-trans-story/

FearedAndLoathed · 31/01/2018 14:46

As someone with a little boy, who is probably not NT who variously identifies himself to other as a super hero, a female cat and a lonely little boy who uses female pronouns and just a plain old little boy, I'm petrified that when he starts school someone might try get at him with this nonsense.

FearedAndLoathed · 31/01/2018 14:47

When in actual fact he's just a little kid with a great imagination for playing games