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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Disappointing article on transgender in TES

28 replies

FreiasBathtub · 30/01/2018 10:04

Urgh. It's like transgender bingo:

  • Questioning the way things are going == being a horrible homophobe, section 28 etc etc etc (bonus point for linking to Owen Jones article)
  • Why are feminists so obsessed with genitalia?
  • Nobody is cutting bits of children or pumping them full of chemotherapy drugs, promise!
  • 'history will judge you...'
  • Transitioning is always a long, painful, difficult process (with the implication that it involves surgery, drugs and a significant change to lifestyle)
  • Women are worried about men pretending to be women in order to take over their safe spaces which would never happen because see above

Plus some exciting new angles I haven't seen before, including:

  • Feminists, it's YOUR attachment to gender roles that means boys can't wear dresses
  • Transgender people 'are the last people who would encourage gender reassignment on a whim'

I mean, even a very cursory glance on Twitter would show how completely batshit most of these assertions are.

A fact free, evidence free, comprehension free essay which unfortunately has been published in a 'reputable' trade journal for teachers who are already being told they should break fundamental safeguarding rules when a child discloses that they think they might be trans.

Does TES have a right of reply? Letters page? I'm too close to this sector to write anything myself as it would, unfortunately, be professionally damaging.

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/transphobes-are-driving-childrens-confusion-about-gender-not-trans

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2018username · 30/01/2018 10:06

Are you on twitter? It's certainly been 'replied' to on there!

jellyfrizz · 30/01/2018 10:12

TES has a forum with an 'educational news' section: community.tes.com/forums/education-news.2128/

Ekphrasis · 30/01/2018 10:15

I'm sure Kiri Tunks would have a good response to that.

'Feminists attaches to gender roles' - eh?!

FlorenceLyons · 30/01/2018 10:23

I read the Twitter comments on this last night and they were, hearteningly, universally variations on 'WTF?'

FreiasBathtub · 30/01/2018 10:31

Oh that's good! I didn't even think to go on Twitter. I'll go and let off some steam over there.

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Lottapianos · 30/01/2018 10:32

Really good to hear that the Twitter comments were so critical. I used to admire Natasha Devon, she used to talk a lot of sense about mental health and body image. It's a shame she has drunk the trans koolaid

HomeTerf · 30/01/2018 10:45

This is her response on Twitter. So articulate and well thought out Hmm

"Thank you so much all the TERFs who have flocked to my @tes column today to pour your scorn, derision and transphobia on my views. The increased traffic will ensure I’m first in line for a pay rise.
9:42 PM - 29 Jan 2018"

TeaEnjoyingRadientFeminist · 30/01/2018 10:48

Ah yes. Because disagreeing = transphobic. How silly of me to forget! Hmm

Scorn and derision are part of the job when you write something that is, you know, worthy of scorn and derision.

Ekphrasis · 30/01/2018 10:50

Jesus!

DodoPatrol · 30/01/2018 10:51

Bloody hell, did she just admit that it's in her financial interests to write uncritical trans-promoting tosh?

I mean, she's probably right that doing the opposite would get her demoted...

Ekphrasis · 30/01/2018 10:51

What boils my piss is that some teachers do read tes not that I've ever met any - mainly the young keen, unbroken ones.

bluegreygreenlilac · 30/01/2018 10:51

I roll my eyes at anything by Natasha Devon.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 30/01/2018 10:54

There is a contact email address

[email protected]

There also appears to be a comment section, but no comments as yet.

bluegreygreenlilac · 30/01/2018 10:56

I really wish TES would stop giving this idiot so much publicity.

She has very little to do with teaching or schools other than to squawk indignantly about how the current government makes children sad, this is a terrible thing, racism is bad, transphobia is worse, by the way aren’t I wonderful - thank you!

Why must I read this shite!?

nauticant · 30/01/2018 10:58

She sounds like an overgrown teenager locked into the mindset of being popular at school. Is all of her stuff like this?

bluegreygreenlilac · 30/01/2018 10:59

Yes

And she is PAID for it

nauticant · 30/01/2018 11:00

^^

HerFemaleness · 30/01/2018 11:15

Bloody hell, did she just admit that it's in her financial interests to write uncritical trans-promoting tosh?

Where?

DodoPatrol · 30/01/2018 11:19

The increased traffic will ensure I’m first in line for a pay rise.

I take that to mean she's writing tosh in order to prompt 'transphobic' comments and do a spot of self-promotion.

Geronimoleapinglizards · 30/01/2018 12:18

Er.... quite, Natasha!

Disappointing article on transgender in TES
Lovelyusername · 30/01/2018 15:26

Who was the Teacher that was recently aquitted in the witch hunt against questioning trans children ? Patrick Someone, I can’t find t he link. Going to write to TES and complain

UpstartCrow · 30/01/2018 16:37

Lovelyusername He's Roy Wilkes, he's on Twitter, and he has consistently supported women who stand against self ID.

PeteAndManu · 30/01/2018 17:12

It is standard response to an argument you don’t like. Firstly misrepresent what the ‘other side’ is saying or mix up their arguments e.g encourage male MP candidates to pretend to be trans vs people are concerned about some men pretending to be trans to gain access to women’s spaces (male burglar breaking into teenagers bedrooms to wear their underwear wanting to transition to go into women’s prisons).
. Once you have created this false argument you can easily then knock it down. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that a male MP candidate would pretend to trans just that AWS shouldn’t be used to encourage trans people into politics at the expense of women who are already underrepresented.

Secondly create a false equivalence, it’s just like Clause 28 and homophobia. No it isn’t. She is trying to make the argument on a field of her choosing.

Lovelyusername · 31/01/2018 13:17

I wrote to the TES to complain about. Not bothered about online comments, now complaining Direct about each example

Lottapianos · 31/01/2018 14:02

Well done Lovely