Bluestocking lock in!

[QuentinSummers]

Posted a whole thing on the last thread and it was locked!

Last thread here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3062013-The-Bluestocking-is-open-for-business
Here's my post replying to Moth
Thats an interesting article moth. Best not on the board or MRAs would be all over it!
I was wondering today, hopefully, if the news about darts getting rid of the girls means the overton window is shifting and maybe p0rn will become less acceptable?
If not all this hooha about F1 girls and the presidents club is just tinkering on the edges.

Do me a favour, pretty much all of central London primarily serves the needs of adults and you’re stunned and horrified that Coram’s Fields is non-child-accompanying-adult exclusionary?

Hipster, I think everywhere in central London is child friendly

But regardless, to have a whole seven acres of central London, surrounded by businesses, not homes, yes it seems very wrong that adults can't visit.

Grey, yes, I do. I might be being unfair to her....I'm confused.

If your confused Spring maybe check in with yourself next time you meet up? Are you apprehensive beforehand? How do you feel after?

Grey, tbh I find her hard work but I wouldn't have said anything more than that really. She's asked me to go on weekends away with her though and I dint because a weekend woukd be too much. She's quite shouty, I'm more mellow.

That's partly why last night upset me....I felt really ragey and shouty and that's rare for me.

You have all been so helpful thank you
I'm heading for bed....cheers all

@hipsterfun
Do me a favour, pretty much all of central London primarily serves the needs of adults and you’re stunned and horrified that Coram’s Fields is non-child-accompanying-adult exclusionary?

I dont understand why adults using a park would reduce its value to children. Is there a london reason that makes it make sense? (Really asking, I used to visit london for work & have done tourist type things but I have never lived there.)
All the parks we visit (Scotland) are open to all but we spend far more time in the woods/at the beach

Child-friendly isn’t the same as child-priority and I like the idea of having one open, public space where children have priority. The central London environment is quite unsuited to small children: traffic, aggressive driving, large scale, busy, noisy, and peopled by adults who aren’t always sympathetic small people underfoot. I suppose there’s also various degrees of anti-social behaviour to consider (drug use, street drinking, aggressive begging).

It’s not any old open space either, it has a particular history which makes more sense of it.

I don’t think it’s a million miles conceptually from having women’s spaces in some ways.

The history is interesting thanks.

I dont think the child unfriendly aspects of London/inner city are true in a park. Childless adults use a park in different ways from those with children so i dont see there being much conflict.
I also think society benefits from mixing the generations. My children often enjoy speaking to the older people sitting by the park & the older people seem to be delighted to speak to children or about children (to me about much missed/loved grandchildren).
Otoh i dream of a dog free park

Maybe it's written into their charitable charter somehow?

Yes very possibly

I have never been at a park with my children & wished unchilded (new word) adults were not there but when I lived & worked in the middle of Glasgow pre children I used the (many) parks all the time.

Nobody is suggesting this is rolled out to all London parks.

I dont think the child unfriendly aspects of London/inner city are true in a park.

No, but they’re true outside them so it provides a refuge from them.

Childless adults use a park in different ways from those with children so i dont see there being much conflict.

As a born-and-raised Londoner, I’ve seen some things, let me tell you

I agree that generational mixing benefits us all, but don’t think it’s a problem for one park in the capital city only to admit adults who are with children.

No, but they’re true outside them so it provides a refuge from them.
Yes but i think any park would

I suppose it depends on how close other parks are as to how much significant it is/how much impact it has to have one closed to adults.

Anyway, happy to differ on this (but even a born & raised Londoner might find parts of Glasgow pretty interesting!!)

From Wikipedia:

Coram's Fields also offers three eight-a-side football pitches, two tennis courts, a stickball field and a basketball court.

When young people, especially those whose parents can’t afford a weekly schedule of after school activities, have their options limited by the snip snip of austerity, I think there’s huge value in a space where they take priority.

Adults in a park without children may: cycle or jog at speed, resenting people who interrupt their path; drink and play music loudly; snog less discreetly than you would with children in tow; play ball more powerfully than when playing with children; complain when children's games spill over.

I'd never heard of Coram fields, so that's really interesting concept. I think oldies like me wouldn't impact on anyone, but groups of young adults can be a bit boisterous. And groups of older people can hog the paths and benches (just to discriminate in an even handed fashion!)

Snogging, smoking weed, having barbecues, getting hammered (cheap lager or expensive fizzy stuff, it’s the impaired judgement that’s the issue), exercising poorly trained dogs and pretending not to notice when they shit.

I do love London, truly, and it’s all good fun. But it’s nice to have a park for kids.

hipsterfun "Snogging, smoking weed, having barbecues, getting hammered"

maybe I should start taking my lunch hour

And I wouldn’t judge, I’m guilty of having done one or two of the above myself

Not on a work lunch break, I hasten to add.

hipster, if you fitted all four in a lunch hour, you can win a prize. I guess!

damn!! Cross post. I'll keep the gin

[the sack] most likely.

Is anyone around to give support on this thread? I've tried but I'm no expert in this area and OP is having a tough time.

Women's aid? How to ask for help www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3182700-women-s-aid-how-to-ask-for-help

Starting to wonder if the real difference is that it's too cold to do most of those things in a park in Scotland barring about a week a year

I suspect it's about population density really... adults dont really cycle in parks here (apart from as transport) because they use the mountain bike trails in the woods etc

I still think it's sad that older people cant join in - they're hit by the cuts too.

Mortifying x-post