Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

[QuentinSummers]

Follow on from
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group?msgid=75082467#75082467

One thing that isn't clear to me is that although I can see how the Equality Act 2010 (section 104) permits AWS to select candidates for Parliamentary Elections (and some local government elections), I don't see how it applies to other elections, for example posts within a political organisation.

Does the EA 2010 have anything to say about these other elections, for example an election to the post of a women's officer in a CLP?

1) we're so clueless we shouldn't be allowed to run a whelk stall let alone a country
Or
2) we never liked aws anyway and we hope this will render them so unfit for purpose we can get rid of them altogether

As they say ‘never put down to malice what instead can be put down to incompetence.’

They would be entitled to apply for an exemption I think. But it would be up to the organisation to decide policy based on the needs of stakeholders.

I think Tallulah's question should be a poll on Twitter

Does the EA 2010 have anything to say about these other elections, for example an election to the post of a women's officer in a CLP?

No. The illegal bit is just for AWS in the very limited EA2010 specific exemption.

Lily Madigan's election to Women's Officer is within the law. But it might be against the Labour rules, which state that the Women's Officer must be a woman (just woman, not self-identifying woman).

So there is room for a pretty certain legal challenge on AWS and this would apply to all political parties (including the Lib Dems who also state their AWS are self-ID) if successful.

There is also room for another legal challenge to make the Labour Party specifically stick to its own rules (rather than the law). But my understanding is that the legal opinion offered so far is that this one might well fail.

No. The illegal bit is just for AWS in the very limited EA2010 specific exemption.

Lily Madigan's election to Women's Officer is within the law. But it might be against the Labour rules, which state that the Women's Officer must be a woman (just woman, not self-identifying woman).

Thanks, that's how I understood things. I think challenging the latter, especially as a proxy to go after Lily Madigan, would be a waste of time and money. It would also risk turning into horrible PR for the gender critical side.

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Looks like lily isn't gonna be much good in the fight against anti semitism in Labour any more than she is misogyny

Do we think Lily even knows what anti-semitism is, as in would be able to give an explanation? He's so manifestly unqualified for his position and solipistic that I assume that if an issue isn't directly related to him and his "gender" he doesn't know or care much about it.

I think challenging the latter, especially as a proxy to go after Lily Madigan, would be a waste of time and money.

I can understand some Labour people wanting to do this. But honestly? I think it's clear that the battle within Labour can't be won at the moment.

The crowdfund will be able to force Labour to either act within the law vis a vis AWS or abandon them altogether.

Otherwise, I think the money would be more effectively used to enable, say, A Woman's Place to extend the number of public meetings they are holding.

I'd still like to see a crowdfund for strategic litigation so that we could challenge the failure to meet safeguarding obligations in schools or hospitals or prisons or or or when these institutions introduce trans policies.

I couldn't agree more LangCleg. (I have a feeling I've written that sentence before.)

Yeah my vote would be to use the cash to challenge self Id in another area. The main thing would be to have a test case in law. I don't really care wether this is within or outside of the Labour Party.

What did Lily say about antisemitism? I can't view the page, do you have to be friends, or maybe it's been taken down?

It should be public. Are you blocked by lily? Can't screenshot atm. But it's on her wall. Scroll down and look for the post where she is speaking at an event in Enfield

I'm not blocked by Lily as far as I know.

Thanks Fear and Loathing, read it on the FB app, perhaps it was the connection from Mumsnet, although I was logged in, so that's odd.

FearedandLoathed

The attitude is just shocking isn't it. She just doesn't care. No thought beyond the end of Lily's nose. Representative of the largest political party in Europe saying " take it up with the organisers". Not really prepping good representation there

I’m blocked by LM. What did they say?

Someone pointed out that they were sharing a platform with an anti-Semite and provided evidence when challenged. Lily said he didn't have time to read it but that he was not anti-semetic x (sic) . The woman that challenged him then got quite angry:

"Your op describes your fellow speakers, including one known anti semite as "fabulous". You are giving your endorsement to an anti semite. You wouldn't share a platform with an transphobe. But you are prepared to share one with an anti semite. You also have people with anti Semitic views responding to this sub and you have done nothing.
Anti racism requires action from those in positions of power to help those who suffer oppression. Washing your hands of this is appalling."

LM has not yet replied.

The first post on the thread is pointing out that there is a diary clash and then someone says that poor old LM is only 19 and is rather confused and would he like some help with his diary. FFS - the infantilising is nauseating.

I think it's a diary clash about a meeting LM was supposed to have about women's refuges in the capacity of Women's Officer.

Is that line when someone (I forget who - a journalist) wasn't allowed to question JC because he is 70 and it was bullying?

At what age are the Labour Party available to be held to account? Is there a small window in their early thirties?

I think it's a diary clash about a meeting LM was supposed to have about women's refuges in the capacity of Women's Officer

Oh ffs Erishkigal she hasn't got time for all that women's bollocks

Is there a small window in their early thirties?

wasn't allowed to question JC because he is 70 and it was bullying

Is that true? can you imagine? ‘Please don’t negotiate Brexit too hard, PM JC is 70 you know.’

‘Please don’t nuke us NK, PM JC is 70 you know.’

He looks very fit and well for 70 (although, not as fit and young as my mum, who is 72, looks) - but you can't use ageism like that. Surely it just invites the "well he's too old to run the Labour Party/country then!"

I'm done with the Labour Party. They're not only making themselves look ridiculous, by letting LM run wild, but they have shown they think they are above the law. And I was so pleased for JC in the last election...