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Were you a Labour Party member who has left due to GRA issues and self ID

86 replies

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 23/01/2018 19:24

Just that question really. I was and I finally left following the appointment of Lily Madigan as Women's Officer. I'd really like to know the number of other people who have done the same.

Have you left, or are considering leaving due to similar concerns?

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malaguena · 23/01/2018 21:21

I got my DH to leave after much discussion. I was actually planning to join myself last year as I am a socialist at heart, but seeing how this unravelled I just don't feel that the Labour party is a safe place for women. I have joined the socialist feminist network and I don't know how I will vote next time, but probably not Labour unless massive turnaround.

BrokenTiles · 23/01/2018 21:31

I left today, after many months of disillusionment.

Although I received an automated email asking for my reasons for leaving, I am sadly too afraid of possible professional repercussions to actually respond in writing.

Which says it all, really.

Bekabeech · 23/01/2018 21:38

Political parties are currently behaving like tinpot dictators stationing their heavies st the polling stations
You do know that there are very strict rules about what anyone wearing a rosette can do at a polling station, and if you feel at all intimidated you should report their behaviour to the officials inside?
The people at polling stations are called "tellers" and all they can do is ask you for your voting number - and you are fully entitled to refuse to give it to them. There is only allowed to be one person per party with a rosette outside, and the rosette must not have the word candidate on. If there are obviously more than one person from one party there (or it seems like there is) you should report it inside and the officer can tell them to move.
They are either fully outside or sometimes allowed in a porch/entry hall but never the main voting hall.
Usually all three parties share numbers because the only use that is made of them is to prevent them harassing their own members/possible voters after they have voted.
And no one has any right to ask you how you voted, and you have every right to refuse to answer. (Sometimes there are exit poll people there but they are independent from political parties and you can refuse.)

BarrackerBarmer · 23/01/2018 22:17

Bekabeech my analogy failed! What I intended to convey is that in day to day manouverings all parties are bringing enormous pressure to bear which makes it impossible to dissent. They are ejecting gender critical women, silencing them with slurs and accusations and crowing that they are certain all good upstanding citizens hold the only morally acceptable view that transwomen are women. They will allow no dissent, no discourse and the threat of losing jobs or reputations, or even being criminalised for 'hate' is real.
(I didn't mean they literally position heavies at polling stations. Only that they are adopting similarly intimidating tactics - not violence, but the threat of expulsion/condemnation etc to stifle debate and ensure people are scared to stand up against them)
However.
We DO still have a highly regulated democratic voting system. We CAN register our dissent, and we can do it safely and without fear of reprisal. Thank goodness.

All we need, is an actual option to vote FOR.

Deadlylampshade · 23/01/2018 22:26

I left over how shit Jeremy Corbyn was with Brexit. I wish I hadn’t so I could leave again.

Keep trying to get DH to leave but he’s not having it. He totally gets it but he thinks there’s more important things. I might ltb.

MyOwnShed · 23/01/2018 22:32

I'm still in, just.

meddie · 23/01/2018 22:33

I left over the AWS. I cant support a party that has so little regard for women, I just can't. after 32 years of being a staunch Labour voter I am now politically homeless

Halebeke425 · 23/01/2018 22:33

@deadlylampshade my dp is the same - "oh it only effects like 1% of the population, it's not a big deal" Ermm yes plus All The Women who are negatively affected... If it's not affecting men they don't care Angry

Just to add the green party are even more insane over this issue, I attended a few events with them a couple years ago and was put off by it

BreezedriftingOnBy · 23/01/2018 22:40

I have done. No reply when I said why via email, have contacted MP and asked for surgery appointment.

I'm in an area with a tiny minority. Partner and lots of women I know (all recent labour voters) feel really strongly on this issue, which I'm hoping might make tiny majority MP interested..

BreezedriftingOnBy · 23/01/2018 22:41

Tiny majority!!!!

Putyourdamnshoeson · 23/01/2018 22:49

I left when Madigan took up his post. I told them why, no response.

blackberryfairy · 23/01/2018 22:57

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Lovelyusername · 26/01/2018 15:51

Lol
Sob

!
There were 17 candidates. And 17 of them were men. So there you are, girls — meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Except that sometimes, beneath the hipster beard, he’s wearing a nice frock.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 26/01/2018 15:57

I left 2 days ago. Not a sniff of a response to my email to my CLP - not that that surprises me.

purpleanorak · 26/01/2018 16:15

I left last year, partly because of these issues and partly because of the utterly ineffective opposition regarding Brexit.

I haven’t told them why I left because I need to be cautious given my job. I would tell Labour anonymously if I could (or directly if I were not now frightened of somebody getting hold of that information and trying to “out” me as transphobic). I feel cowardly for not speaking up in public, but I just have too much to lose.

KissMaCis · 26/01/2018 16:16

Left over party antisemitism and the abuse of party moderates. If it’s not a broad church, it’s not for me.

ShotsFired · 26/01/2018 16:35

@BarrackerBarmer
I wish someone with technical skills could devise an incredibly simple website. One where you literally just click a button to register your support for women being recognised by sex not gender.
No identifying data collected.
Just a tally of numbers.
"People who want recognition of sex not gender."
No comments section.

Typeforms could do this. I just mocked this one up. The only qualifier it asks for is the date (that was the only option that didn't offer a choice of answer)

However am unwilling to use this publicly as its linked to my gmail/google account and who knows what the TRAs could dig up on that. But if someone has an anonymous account...?

Were you a Labour Party member who has left due to GRA issues and self ID
Whatnextxx · 26/01/2018 16:41

Perhaps a little look at this hard hitting piece might help former Labour supporters gain some idea about what other poeple on the other side of the fence think: www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lefts-transgender-obsession-no-laughing-matter/?utm_content=buffercd6ec&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 26/01/2018 16:55

Interesting piece Whatnext. Thanks for sharing.

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tobee · 26/01/2018 17:22

I, too, left after Iraq. Rejoined to get Corbyn out at the second leadership election. That worked well. Appalled by so many things under this regime and the brainwashed hysterics who follow. At the moment I'm keeping my membership in the forlorn hope of helping with the balance of wings of the party and to have a vote in any leadership ballot that occurs in the future. Lol. Was hoping the party would split as I couldn't see any other way forward. I fully believe the leadership and momentum are far worse than we yet know.

flapsDentata · 26/01/2018 17:24

Agreed Tobee. I can tell you things about Corbyn and his dodgy pals that would make your head bleed.

purpleanorak · 26/01/2018 17:32

Tobee - I rejoined after letting my membership lapse for the same reason (then wasn’t even allowed to vote!). Totally agree with all of your points. It is very sad - I feel politically “homeless” and unrepresented by any party at the moment. I just think Labour is too far gone at the moment for me to be able to make any impact as a member.

blackberryfairy · 26/01/2018 18:06

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Electraschild · 26/01/2018 18:42

Having always been a Labour voter, I joined before the '97 election, left over Iraq and rejoined in 2010. Now considering leaving again but I will be another who is politically homeless, if/when I do.

Fekko · 26/01/2018 18:48

Homeless is fine - you can’t hitch the star to a party you can’t believe in. Things will change.

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