Labour’s NEC Set To Confirm Trans People Allowed On All-Women Shortlists

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www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labours-nec-set-to-confirm-transsexual-rights-to-all-women-shortlists-for-parliament-trans-women_uk_5a66782ae4b0e5630072d118

They have dropped it, someone told them it is illegal.

They have dropped it, someone told them it is illegal

This will probably see them going full tilt to get the GRA through now which will open the while thing up to public scrutiny.

Well done Jennifer James. My new hero. Bigger balls than any of the wee arseholes with a skirt fetish.

Or what about female Catholics? Can a female Catholic self-ID as a man and apply to the seminary? Would the Catholic church be discriminating against that person if they rejected them?

I believe in Ireland women who identify as men are still barred from the priesthood. Someone mentioned on another thread that the Scottish consultation on self-ID has something about religious exemptions, which in practice would mean barring women from identifying their way into becoming priests, rabbis, imams and any other male-only religious roles.

It's funny (but not really) how careful men are being to ensure that they won't lose anything to women in this new era of supposed 'gender fluidity'. 'Gender' is fluid, but only when it comes to women's boundaries. Men's remain as sacred as ever. 'Woman', as every political party is reminding us, must become 'inclusive' to men, but 'man', wherever it really counts, in the halls of power and privilege, is to remain as fixed and impermeable as ever.

Labour Party elected Jeremy Corbyn and then nearly won an election against all odds. The party is more left wing than ever and it's winning. So I don't think they need to worry about traditional voters the truth is now they're a party of young people (apart from Jezza himself......) and young people are nearly all in favour of trans rights. I think they'd probs alienate more people by being anti-trans. There aren't enough people with 'traditional' values for it to be worth their while going backwards on rights issues.

sashh

Where have you heard that? Can you link?

MayDay4Women tweeted something from a 'source'

twitter.com/mayday4women/status/955799524521529344

mobile.twitter.com/mayday4women/status/955799524521529344

Ah, sorry, cross post.

If it is as the rumours suggest and wsl are kept for women I expect the Trans and supporters to regroup and attack. Eyes and ears open

*I really want to see a politician explain how they defend the aristocracy exemption. How can it be argued that it's okay to take a gold medal, a scholarship, a sex designated post from women, but not okay to take a dukedom from a man?

Feminists should be hammering this point more often. It's the kind of thing the press might seize on, since they love a Downton Abbey-esque angle. You're right, politicians should be asked to explain it, and trans orgs also need to explain why none have raised a peep about this blatant denial of the rights of trans-identified females in the bill.*

There is a Lord who has raised this in the media: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/29/lord-balfour-outdated-succession-law-means-daughter-could-claim/

"Under the current Gender Recognition Act, an elder daughter who changes gender cannot supplant a male heir.

But legal experts believe this could be in breach of article 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights, on discrimination, and articles one and eight of the Human Rights Act, on property rights and the right to a private and family life.

The law has never been tested however because no transgender aristocrat has ever come forward to claim a title.

The reform of the Gender Recognition Act is now likely to include a clause on an exemption for hereditary titles being dropped."

Am really confused. Didn't the last nec statement confirm that only trans women with grc could stand on AWS? That lead to JJ confirming the battle had been won re AWS. Today's meeting was meant to confirm the situation re access to other positions and roles fir self- iding "women". Or have i missed an update? Am unclear what statement has been pulled...

comment on one of those tweets

"The sensible thing is now get Tory women involved. They hate this as much as us, and are livid with Greening. There’s a piece in the works for Conservative Woman, and the spectator on Thursday. This is cross party."

I agree this is cross party - it's got nothing to do with party politics and everything to do with women - the old cunty sort - and girls - and we should stand together on this. Because left or right we KNOW what the risks are, because the vast majority of us have multiple experiences that demonstrate how many creepy men there are out there and what they are prepared to do.

Blue / red makes no difference when a bloke wants to get his cock out and wank it at a woman on the bus.

This is a women's issue. Old style.

So I don't think they need to worry about traditional voters grin the truth is now they're a party of young people

If they are going to run with that theory they should maybe have a wee look at the age demographics of the UK....

If the AWS are kept for women and men with a GRC could the fund be used to clarify the legal position of men without a GRC (Madigan) taking roles that should be reserved for women in the Labour Party?

@Upabitlate that’s my tweet. Am already getting a network together. This effects all women.

100lb young people are on board with the trans agenda in the main, for now. The thing is with young people, especially young women, they grow up, experience a bit of the world and its sexism, and have their eyes opened to the way the world is weighted in favour of men. I suspect a good proportion of the wide eyed trans handmaidens of today, yourself included perhaps, are tomorrow's gender critical feminists, who will be horrified when the scales fall away and they realise what they have done.

At this point though, I'm changing my mind about GRC.

There were so few before it didn't really make any difference. As numbers increase I'm feeling like no, sex is important and that's what needs to be considered, for things like sports, women's awards, sex specific services etc.

I really don't care what someone's name is or how they dress or what job they do or any of that but I am not happy about TIMS taking spaces that women have carved out for ourselves over decades, and that are reserved for us.

This is just bogstandard backlash. Our position has got to the point now, due to our work, where things start to look OK, and men say well why the fuck should they have it. Sports is a great example, women's sport is attracting more funding, sponsorship, column inches, tv play etc. Female sportspeople are in the public eye more. And all of a sudden men want a piece of it.

Hammer awesome how do I sign up? PM if you need to.

I'm in a ton of online radfem groups so can signpost on them as well if you want

I no longer support men with a GRC taking a womans place on an AWS shortlist. Even a year ago that wouldn't have bothered me.

Let trans people start their own shortlists and let men make room for them. Women don't have 50% representation yet.

If 'young people' are too short sighted to see the end result, they'll realise what they've done when its too late. By that time we wont be around to support them.

So people like 100lbtolose can snark, but when you start telling black people they have to include white people in their shortlists I hope they have the guts to tell you to fuck off.

I miss transvestism, because that’s all I see when a man puts on a frock, but has no intention of ever going further than that.

I'm with you on that UpstartCrow. I have also changed my mind. Women have fought too hard, people born male who acquire a GRC later down the line should not be entitled to take scarce positions and resources from biological females. They can start their own fights for rights and representation as trans people, separate from women, and I will whole heartedly support them in their goals.

Heather Peto has tweeted today that they have been accepted into the Jo Cox Women in Leadership programme this year.

So Peto and Sophie Cook (both TIMs) taking up 2 spots on that programme this year.

Anna Lee (TIM) was on the programme last year.

They've never actually had just women on that course.

I no longer support men with a GRC taking a womans place on an AWS shortlist. Even a year ago that wouldn't have bothered me.

Same here. Feel like we need to start pushing back.

I also think there are a lot more old people in the country than young people. Didn't that swing Brexit?

At least we got a ballot re Brexit, flawed though it was.