Patrick Harvies response to the MNer who published his dismissive response on here.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Sorry - I can't remember who the MNer was . She wrote to him about the proposed changes to the GRA, and he said that as long as the government listened to trans people and trans allies (I'm paraphrasing badly) it would all be lovely.

Patrick seems to have got the hump that this was published, and written this response

greens.scot/blog/trans-rights-are-human-rights-and-we-must-stand-together-to-achieve-them

As a (now ex) green party Scotland member I am seriously pissed off. I have cancelled my membership renewals, and written to the party to explain why.

How long until the Green party has male, and TIM co-conveners, as opposed to male and female.

Raaaaaaagh

I don’t understand who so many people conflate equality for trans people (which I support, since I think everyone should have equality) with ‘trans women are women’. It’s really lazy and quite stupid.

Wast it the green party that once referred to women as 'non men' in a tweet, then defended it by saying it was 'for clarity'?

Wast? Wasn't

Hes basically just called his constituent a terf.

"I am delighted that most feminist organisations in Scotland support theEqual Recognition campaign, which seeks progress on trans rights."

Progress? By supporting a policy that suggests a woman is either an adult human with xx chromosome or a bloke in a dress? Yes, how progressive. Just like Rachel Dolezal was progressive when she took a place that should have been occupied by a black person.

Progress? By supporting a policy that suggests a woman is either an adult human with xx chromosome or a bloke in a dress?

It really is insane. And embarrassing.

Jennifer James is chatting to him on facebook, she pointed out the violent trans activists who are trying to silence women even to the point of physical attacks.

''There is deplorable behaviour on different sides of many debates. I certainly condemn violence on this issue, just as I'm sure you condemn the terrible behaviour many trans people endure. Both debate and protest should be peaceful.''

When you start sounding like Donald Trump ....

Both debate and protest should be peaceful.''

Said the TRA as he hit a 60 year old woman whilst chanting #NoDebate.

It’s very disappointing isn’t it? Men on the left are becoming a problem, I suppose it costs them nothing and they get to think they are doing the right thing.

I think most people have no clue what the real issues around this are. I think this cult mantra of Transwomen are women really needs to be tackled. I think asking what people think a women is doesn’t always allow them to get it. I think we should be asking them what they think transwomen are.

Many people truly believe that all transgender people have suffered body dysphoria, abuse and oppression. If more understand that yes this may be the case for some, unfortunately there are plenty who want to ID as women are fetishists or just want to be able to encroach on women’s spaces without being challenged.

I wonder whether Patrick Harvie would date a TIF, given that he is gay and asserts that "transmen are men"?

There's a word for people who use violence and threats of violence against innocent people in order to achieve a political goal.

Misskelly
I've been thinking about the trans women are women mantra.
I feel like we need a similar soundbite to present to the many people who simply haven't the time or inclination to wade through the gender critical arguments. Something like "woman is a biological term" only catchier -obviously. I've no idea what.

''people with dicks are male''.

irretating - people who have cut their dicks off are also still male...

Olenna...I’m going to ask Patrick Harvie just that!

"nobody has a female brain" maybe?

Am quite a fan of Magdalen Berns's "there's no such thing as a lesbian with a penis" as well.

“Transwomen are a subset of men”. I just repeat that again and again.

Another dismissal to add to the first one.

Chanting "TIMs are women" a thousand times does not make it true. Think of the hundreds of years of people saying that the earth was flat. It still went on being round.

Gender does not trump biology?

The thing is, feminists have repeatedly said they fully support transwomen having human rights. It is access to women's rights that are the problem area, because transwomen are not women.

From Harvie's response: "My constituent opposes this legislation, and believes not only that “there is a direct conflict between women’s rights and trans rights”, but also that this is the view of “all women whose job does not depend on supporting trans-friendly policies”. This is of course an absurd suggestion, but it’s not uncommon for people opposing one aspect of equality or another to make such unfounded claims of representing a great unheard majority."

He claims there is no conflict. So I'd like to know what is his response to the situation reported in the press last week, where a woman going for a smear test found herself confronted with a TIM? Whose rights do we put first - hers to have medical care and at the same time get to decide who does and does not get to touch her genitals, or his to carry out the job of his choosing, regardless of the psychological impact on his patients? If that's not a conflict, what the hell is?

Trans-Identifying Men are a subset of men.

I find if we use this terminology then it clarifies the situation for people. Saying TW only confuses people.

What he is not getting is the fact that these women's organisations HAVE TO publicly support this legislation, they have to have the LGBTIQA accreditation, because they are heavily dependent on public funding.

Which aspect of equality are we supposed to be opposing?

Trans people already have equal rights as human beings. They want preferential treatment, and that is the issue.

Here he is trying to defend his misogyny on Twitter

twitter.com/patrickharvie/status/954372721751871491