Is it legal for a man to use the women's toilet in England? Scotland?

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If not, can someone please point me to where I can find text of the law regulating this? I've tried searching here to no avail: www.legislation.gov.uk/search

I was always under the impression that it WAS illegal for a man to enter the women's room but now I'm not so sure and it seems a rather hard thing to search for.

I assume it must be since apparently a reading of the 2010 Equality Act has been invoked to allow transgender women to use the women's room. www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36395646

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/19

But I can't seem to find the original law prohibiting men from being in the ladies'.

Further, I've only really started to pay attention to the trans issue within the last few years (first as an ally from 2011-2014 and thereafter becoming progressively more and more gender critical after hitting peak trans in 2014/15) and I somehow entirely missed that it's now apparently legal for trans women to be in the women's bathrooms. Does anyone have links to good information on how this happened (focused on the UK)? And have there been any documented abuses of it so far?

there are however many cases of assault of Transitioning people in public toilets many of these are very serious

In the UK? Given that countless males, including males dressed as women for whatever reason, have been caught committing a variety of sexual crimes in female and mixed-sex toilets and a considerable number have been sentenced for their crimes here in the UK, with each story carried in the local press at the very least, I am somewhat puzzled at the complete lack of similar reports about attacks on males dressed as women in male or mixed-sex toilets here in the UK.

There must be a lot of them for you to make such a strong statement. Or are these anecdotal? No less painful for being personal stories, even if they weren't reported of course. But if anecdotal evidence is what you are basing your statement on, then I'm sure you'll accept our anecdotal evidence, too.

Or are you referring to females who identify as trans being attacked in the gents?

You have such a wonderful way with words, Pencils

Apt analogy, there, Pencils.

Pencils!

In the old days I'd've asked Grace a few questions too. But I'm a wise horse after spending these few months here and now I know that there's no fucking point.

Males belong in the men's room.

A coat hanger usually works well to dispel stubborn turds

Well before any laws are implemented they need changing areas in mens toilets or unisex changing rooms with a loo. Also I have used mens toilets. (individual cubicles) Andd have no issues and wouldn,t with a man. Sounds too much hastle to police.

Hi Grace. What does dressing femininely have to do with being female? You imply that you can use female toilets because of your clothes. I don't understand this? Clothes have nothing to do with biology.

No men in women's spaces. That is all. None. No men. No.

Doesn't bloody matter what the man is wearing - eyeliner, short dresses, high heels - doesn't matter at all - crap stereotypes, shit clichés of "womanhood".
If he's a man, then he has no place at all in spaces reserved for women, for reasons of women's safety, privacy, dignity, as has been established, and hard-won, over decades.

Women are denied safety, dignity and privacy when men are facilitated by society to crash women's boundaries, to use women's spaces, despite them knowing that women don't want them there.

The consequences for child safety need very serious consideration, too.

My understanding is people are free to use a bathroom of their preference according to whatever they identify as if they are just going about their business and doing their business.

If anyone is entering a woman's bathroom with the intention of committing some sort of sexual crime then this of course would be a serious crime which hopefully would be dealt with appropriately.

Personally, I like to think men wouldn't go through all the trouble of becoming trans (a long and stressful process) just so they could go perv in a woman's bathroom or changing room. There must be like a hundred or a thousand easier and quicker ways for a man to perv if he wanted to.

Traceyracer
My understanding is people are free to use a bathroom of their preference according to whatever they identify as if they are just going about their business and doing their business
If anyone is entering a woman's bathroom with the intention of committing some sort of sexual crime then this of course would be a serious crime which hopefully would be dealt with appropriately
Firstly how can we tell the difference between the two?
Secondly it seems to me you are saying its ok for offences to happen because we can deal with them after the fact. Why shoud women and girls safety privacy and dignity be compromised when the answer is no men in female spaces. Ever. Under any circumstances.

Do you agree with my 3rd paragraph?

What is your understanding based on Traceyracer?

And although the question wasn't aimed at me, I shall reply anyway:

No, I do not agree with your third paragraph. Because first of all it misrepresents or misunderstands our position - which is categorically not that men actually undergo a transition process in order to predate; second of all it frames the issue from a true trans premise, which is irrelevant to the self-id debate; and lastly it betrays a complete ignorance of the reality of sexual crimes.

Become trans is not a long and stressful process anymore though is it. Thanks to stonewalls enormous trans umbrella definition it includes ppl who have indeed gone though a long and stressful process with surgery & medication to people who simply wear clothing associated with the opposite sex.

Self ID says anyone who defines as the opposite sex must be accepted as that no matter how they present “acceptance without exception”

So a man doesn’t have to do anything but say he identifies as a woman and he’s a woman

See alex Drummond - all Alex does is wear female clothing, no surgery, no hormones, no nothing but Alex is a woman because they say they are

A trans-person needs to live as the other sex for a minimum of 2 years, right?

A trans-person needs to live as the other sex for a minimum of 2 years, right?

Currently they have to do this in order to be eligible to apply for a GRC. But there is no definition of how they should 'live as the other sex' - it's based on putting their gas bill in their new opposite sex name and things like that. Under self-ID for a GRC all this would disappear anyway.

People who have a GRC are outnumbered (by about 100 to 1) by people who simply identify as the opposite sex. This includes part time cross dressers like Philip Bunce, as well as people who just woke up this morning and decided they were 'trans'. No long and stressful process required.

You guys really don't like transwomen do you?

You guys really don't like transwomen do you?

You really don't listen to what people here are saying do you?

You guys really don't like transwomen do you?

Not the ones who are trying to invade our private spaces, no. We generally dislike anyone who wants to compromise our dignity, privacy and safety.

What do you base this rather sweeping statement on? Your own prejudice? I don't see anything here that would allow this conclusion, so do you have anything in support of your position?

Hasn't trans-issues been the most discussed topic on this board for over 2 years now?

And how does intense discussion of an issue equate to dislike of males who identify as trans?

Transgender ideology and legislation is having one of the biggest impacts on women's rights in decades. And doing so worldwide. That this issue should therefore be a subject of interest on the women's women's rights board is entirely to be expected.

Tracyracer
No i dont agree with your 3rd paragraph.
We know that some men go to great lengths to abuse wonen and children. Self id just makes it easier for them.

Hasn't trans-issues been the most discussed topic on this board for over 2 years now?

No, women’s rights have been discussed on this board since it started. It’s very reason for being you might say.

Women will discuss whatever is the biggest prevailing threat to their freedoms and rights.

To be clear - I am not equating trans people as a threat, or threatening. But the ideology does usurp women’s rights in law, and I’d at least like to see the maintenance of the status quo regarding women’s rights, privacy, and safety.

What’s your issue with this?