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A letter to the TERFs

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Helen1111 · 13/12/2017 18:36

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To the women shrieking transphobic abuse on Mumsnet, in the name of women's rights,

Ten, fifteen years from now, when the world you wish for has come to pass, I ask you to remember me.

Remember me when you have your first baby and the trans woman by the bed next to you, who was with her wife every step of the way is consistently humiliated, dehumanised and denied her true value as a mother, because the best people can manage is to call her a facsimile of a woman, a pseudo-father, and she wishes that just for once, at this most transformative of moments, they would call her a woman, a mother, because that's what she is. But they can’t or they won’t, because they think that denying her the right to be a mother somehow gives them more rights or keeps them safe.

Remember me when your trans neighbour, who is waiting to have children before he starts hormone therapy, gives birth, and feels vulnerable and exposed, because the one person who would truly have been able to understand how he feels (and the best midwife on the ward) has been drummed out by transphobic haters who call her "a man in a dress.". Remember me when the doctors refuse to let your trans cousin see a female doctor, because they won’t record her sex as ‘female.’ Remember me when they laugh at her genitalia, when strangers ask to see what’s under her dress, when they force her to show them, even though her body is screaming no.

Remember me when your elderly mother, who is still reeling from you declaring her “lost to dementia” despite being every bit a feeling, thinking human being, goes into a care home and, despite having lived as a woman all her adult life, is called Sam, and cared for with the men. And even in her addled state of mind, she knows that she is Susan, and you know she is your mother, but you cannot object, and can only sit by while her confusion is compounded with depression, anxiety and grief.

Remember me when your daughter comes home from school crying, the daughter who has spent the last five years training to be the best athlete in her class, her school, her district, she's crying because transphobic mothers won’t allow her to run in the girls' race, but she can't go into the boys' changing rooms for fear of being beaten, and she knows it doesn't matter how hard she trains, she will never be allowed to compete, or even if she does, people would never accept her victories.

Remember me when you go into a toilet late at night, perhaps in a bar, and there's no one else around, and a guy walks in, he has a beard and is wearing jeans and a t shirt, and the way he looks at you seems off, and you feel afraid and unsettled and worried he might hurt you. But you can't challenge him, because the law says he is a woman, because he wasn’t born with a penis.

Remember me when your niece goes for a promotion, for a board position at work that's designated for a woman. She’s put in the hours, she’s worked so hard, she knows she deserves it. And the position goes to Lola, who has spent the last year subjecting her to transphobic bullying her at every opportunity, and making her life so miserable that she’s considered suicide more than once. Lola will never do anything inconvenient like needing time off to have surgery, or to recover from the latest transphobic beating she received when walking home, (though either of them could get breast cancer because it doesn’t just affect people who were born female).

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for trans men and women being raped, murdered, beaten and driven to suicide are on the increase, and that, not only did you do anything to challenge or prevent this, but you spurred it on, in the name of women’s rights. Remember me too, when vulnerable trans women, who look for all the world like you and me, are locked up in male prisons and cannot escape, even though they are imprisoned with the very people who abused them and drove them to the edge.

Remember me when your son comes home from school and says that he's learned at school that you can change sex and that some girls have penises and some boys have vaginas, and he tells you that this was the first time he ever felt like there was a truly place for him in the world. But then his teacher told him it is wrong and immoral to be like this. And you realise that all this time, when you preached transphobia, you were teaching others that your son was wrong, was a misogynist in women’s clothing. And you realise that your son, your wonderful, unique, son, will only be happy when you accept him as your daughter. Remember me when a few months down the line the teacher calls you in and says she's concerned that your son is depressed, that he is being bullied by people who were once his friends, but she doesn't want to have to involve their parents in this, because it’s really just a lifestyle choice and people should be free to tell him what they think of him, after all it’s really just protecting the rights of the girls in the class. But you are afraid – of yourself, your son, your friends, and you don’t know what to do.

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transphobic friends, the ones who called trans women “six foot men with stubble in a dress” and yet still claimed these ‘men’ were “benefitting from the patriarchy.” Look around and maybe you will finally see that this has cost trans women everything, it has made the world a harder, crueller place for them, and yet they still did this. Despite the odds, the pain, the abuse, despite never being considered to be one thing or another, they still chose to live as women.

And me? I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for all our rights. Fighting to tell you that you do not do this in my name. Fighting to undo the damage.

Watch your own backs, we’ve got ours.

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DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 13/12/2017 19:03

Why are feminists being accused of being transphobic?

Because we say that women don't have willies.

Twunk · 13/12/2017 19:03

"To the women shrieking transphobic abuse on Mumsnet"

Stopped reading there TBH. Can't stand misogyny.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/12/2017 19:03

Not sure utilitarianism is our friend really. Or anyone's friend for that matter...

sleighbellend · 13/12/2017 19:04

How can my mother be a man?

UnderTheDesk · 13/12/2017 19:04

That's the point of prisons you fuck-knuckle is the best thing about this thread. I am chortling here.

bluewoollyhat · 13/12/2017 19:04

My favourite bit is knowing you can simply ‘declare’ someone ‘lost to dementia’ and get them wheeled off to a nursing home regardless of their actual cognition
It’s an interesting subject to choose since there are some early anecdotes coming through about trans people retuning to their biological sex when they develop dementia, because that is what they remember is normal for them.

AssassinatedBeauty · 13/12/2017 19:05

Did you try to make this utterly inaccurate and incorrect in all of its detail? Don't you have anything actually sensible to say about trans rights and transphobia? This just makes you seem like you just want to attack and intimidate women.

OpalIridescence · 13/12/2017 19:05
Xmas Biscuit
HermioneWeasley · 13/12/2017 19:05

Hi Helen/minymum/transallymum/whatever you’re going as these days,

That was pure drivel. I’m embarrassed for you. Please stop.

Lots of love
Hermione

CaptainBrickbeard · 13/12/2017 19:06

This is utter nonsense.

silkpyjamasallday · 13/12/2017 19:06
Biscuit
CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/12/2017 19:07

I just find it hard to believe that it isn't deliberately that crap

I think you're just already in a stylistic hole when every subject needs parenthetical statements before you can proceed - 'your son, who used to be your daughter, comes home crying because the girls in his class, who were born girls, said something bad about Mr Jones, who wears a dress but only at the weekend...'

YouCantBeSirius · 13/12/2017 19:07

Threats, how very male.

Imherefornow · 13/12/2017 19:07

We should be recognising and humanising the differences rather than trying to strongarm terminologies that benefit neither side

sleighbellend · 13/12/2017 19:07

You don't even sound like you believe your own words tbh, rather like the 'transwomen are women' mantra - it's all a bit 'I DO believe in fairies!'

Scabbersley · 13/12/2017 19:07

It's convoluted bollocks with a spiteful little threat at the end, just in case we thought they were being thoughtful. I don't think I've ever read anything quite as idiotic on mumsnet, and I've been here 15 years.

stitchglitched · 13/12/2017 19:09

Hi OP, can you explain who the elderly mother is supposed to be please? Because I'm confused why someone's mother would be forced to be cared for alongside the men because of gender critical feminists, when that is the opposite of what they believe in. Your post is very confusing (apart from the threat which is loud and clear). Thanks.

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 13/12/2017 19:09

Yeah, I really need to correct my post - your threatening sentence at the end shows what a hateful MAN you are!

BanyanChristmasTree · 13/12/2017 19:09

Watch your own backs, we’ve got ours.

Glad to hear you have your own backs because from what I can see you really do not have mens support and are fast losing women's. It is us women, your mothers, sisters, aunts, grannies and female friends that have probably supported and enabled your transition. You repay us with threats.

NannyOggsKnickers · 13/12/2017 19:09

I do worry about the lack of biological fact in that letter. OP- do you believe that one day trans women will carry a baby to term? Do you even understand the process? It really worries me that you don’t see that this is very, very unlikely to ever happen, even with a lot of hormones and a transplanted uterus. Perhaps read a week by week explanation writing for pregnant women to get an ideas of the issues of skeletal and muscular changes that happen during pregnancy that would be impossible to recreate in a male body.

Be who you want to be but accept that to a certain extent it will always be exterior. It must be hard to want to be something so badly that you can never truly be. But the alternative isn’t it alienate, bully and scream at those who were born with what you want. Talk to some women who suffer from infertility and find out how they cope with the feelings that come from
Not being able to perform a biological function associated with their gender role.

And really, the situations that you describe are going to apply to an absolutely tiny (maybe only a handful) of people. But the OPs original described situations that could be much more common for women. Do the thousands of sexual abuse surviours need to give up their mental safety and live in fear of being put in an uncomfortable, trigger situation to protect the perceived right of many fewer trans people to achieve their dreams?

It does seem as though you don’t value the hard work, emotional sacrifices, physical traumas and mental welfare of women. So why should they respect yours?

You should be able to live as you please but not harm those around you. Not giving you the right to dictate to women what they have to be comfortable with is not abuse. It is not abuse to tell you that your argument is flawed and exclusionary to women. It is also not abuse to point out to your that whatever you may wish or hope, you were not born a woman, not socialised as a woman. These two facts make it harder for you to see from a woman’s perspective and appreciate why women are so scared of letting biological men into their safe spaces.

Live as a woman, but don’t try to tell women how to live.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 13/12/2017 19:09

I cannot imagine what on Earth was in someone’s mind when they thought this would be worth spending time on and that it would actually be convincing to anyone.

Snapespeare · 13/12/2017 19:09

The absolute vast majority of health care professionals would NEVER laugh at an individuals gsnitslua and to suggest sinus disingenuously self serving.

...and when you refer to a gender non conforming boy fearing being beaten in a boys changing room, you acknowledge the problem is boys and men - not girls and women, so why you spend quite so much time attacking women is beyond me.

CherryChasingDotMuncher · 13/12/2017 19:09

I feel especially sorry for the woman who has gone through pregnancy, Labour, given birth and all the joys and the agony of it for her husband to insist that he be referred to as 'mother' (and has a hissy fit if actual mother and those around him don't feed into this delusion) because he doesn't fit the traditional role of 'man'. But yet was happy to impregnate a woman with his penis.

So. Much. Face palming

StinkPickle · 13/12/2017 19:10

Reported as a TAAT

Goady crap Biscuit

Snapespeare · 13/12/2017 19:10

Oh god typos. Tiny phone keypad.