Does anyone listen to The Guilty Feminist podcast? Trans stuff.

[CloudPerson]

I listened to their latest podcast yesterday, the general theme was The Handmaid's Tale.
They brought up some interesting stuff about trans issues and I wanted to discuss them.
On the whole I enjoy the podcast, it's entertaining, their use of cis irritates me, but I do enjoy it.

Their view of transwomen/men was one I generally agree with. Some interesting points about encouraging fluid genders and non binary as this will confuse the patriarchy, which I agree with. People should be who they are, live and dress how they want to be, take away gender, because is damaging bullshit.

However, when I read about things happening now, erasure of women, lesbians etc, the small/vocal/aggressive/homophobic minority, isn't this actively encouraging misogyny and the patriarchy? Keeping people in their neat gender boxes? Encouraging strict gender roles, sexism? It isn't encouraging a more open, welcoming society at all.

If current trans issues were as harmless as TGF podcast says it is, there wouldn't be the opposition. Sure you'd still get your bigots who don't like trans people because they're not fitting in the box, but I certainly wouldn't have any issue at all if it was simply a case of people campaigning to live happily and having a right not to be targeted. But the way it's going I do have a problem, because TRAs campaigns could actively harm women and womens' rights.

Someone on the podcast also mentioned the lack of trans people in The Handmaid's Tale, or they were referenced to as gender traitors and not a big part of the story? (I haven't watched the tv adaptation but read the book a while ago and can't really remember this bit). My take on that is that if current loud TRAs get their way then trans people will be erased anyway, because transwomen are women, I on the face of it, it looks like a purely binary society is their aim? So a potential future could look like some women having fertility issues and not being able to carry babies, but because they are born men, except that won't be spoken of because it's deadnaming/violence/bigotry?

Anyway, not had much sleep, rambling a bit. Just wondered if anyone else had listened to this and what they thought.

And gay marriage is a women’s issue is it affects women

Ok then what is he??

I have no issue with it being a women’s issue too. Do gay men have an issue with that? And if not, why not?

A trans woman

And does that refer to his gender or sex?
What biological sex at they?

Gay marriage is a privileged issue because it also happens to privileged people.

Gay marriage is a white supremacist issue because it also happens to white supremacists.

But if it’s a woman’s issue as much as it is a trans issue why are you using it as an example of trans disadvantage over women?

"Men wearing whatever they like - heels, skirts, long hair, makeup, fantastic. Wholly support that. Anyone who wants to pull faces and tut because a guy is wearing feminine clothes or lives a feminine style of gender needs to get a grip. As a society we're very used to masculine presenting women and have been for pretty much the last century so that's much less of an issue. What you wear, what your name is, how you present yourself on the gender spectrum should not ever be allowed to be grounds for exclusion for a job, rights to marriage, adoption, and absolutely no excuse ever for violence and harassment."

Yes I agree with this, but most people seem to think that this is the end game in the current trans agenda, so anyone arguing this is seen as a bigot. There's either a lack of critical thinking, or the silencing has worked, and if it has then people like those who present TGF are a big fucking disappointment.

Well it’s a lesbian women’s issue fairly self evidently?

They are a big fucking disappointment cloud, they are.

And it’ll only be a trans issue to those wanting to marry the same sex.

A transwomen is a male adult human female. How can anyone argue with that logic?

There are specific issues with lesbian marriage because marriage provides additional rights for pregnant women and their offspring, important in a world where many children don’t even have a nationality because the mother has no husband.

Trans rights to identify as women erases many womens rights, and you cant expect feminists to support that.
If you dont know which women they are or what rights they need then you have privilege you are not aware of.

If you dont know that sometimes only women can do certain tasks when working with with abused or underprivileged women and kids, then you are more privileged than them.

If you dont know or care about women that must have a female doctor, or why that is, then you are more privileged than they are.

Trans rights are part of the problem women face, not part of the solution. Its not a feminist struggle.

Bertrand, I can't access the episode you linked, any chance you could tell me the episode name so I can find it?

I just finished listening to this today and found myself extremely uncomfortable with the suggestion that there should have been trans people in The Handmaids Tale. Talk about shoehorning your agenda in.

Like a PP I also feel uncomfortable at the suggestion I need to feel guilty for being born into a body I’m happy with. Hardly my fucking fault is it?

There’s been an increasing amount of cis this & that on the podcast which I find off putting. Such a shame because sometimes it’s bloody hilarious

One of the things that disturbs me most, after invasion of women only spaces, is that trans people have latched on to a rather narrow definition of gender. To my mind, this will polarise the genders even more and will, ironically, increase misogynism, rather than reduce it.

I'd like to see us all more towards a society where gender is less important to what we wear/do etc, not more.

I've only listened to 4 or 5 of them so far, I'm currently able to overlook cis, but it is irritating that a bunch of clever, funny women can buy into trans ideology so easily.

Yes Thursday, but if the trans agenda continues to where they want to be, ie transwoman = woman, no questions allowed, we could see a future where trans is no longer a term, they will just be women, so surely it's hurting trans people and their identities as well?

With regard to the Handmaid's tale, this was one person's view of one possible dystopian future, written a certain time in history. Anyone who doesn't like it, is free to write about another future with Transgender people in it. I don't see why they need to hijack M. Atwood's story.

CloudPerson-it's number 64-Minefields. I'd love to know what you think.

One of my minor irritations with the trans agenda is the retrofitting. Appropriating any woman in history who dressed as a man in order to break out of the female sphere must obviously have been trans....

Thanks Bertrand, I'll download it now.

I just finished listening to this today and found myself extremely uncomfortable with the suggestion that there should have been trans people in The Handmaids Tale.

They'd either have stuck to their guns and been executed, or put on the clothes assigned to their station and been like any other person. The Handmaid's tale's world could be chock full of trans people, and we'd never know. And we don't need to, because it's about the oppression of women. A transwoman is perfectly at liberty to write dystopian future that centres trans.

As to marriage, well, it seems to me there's some trans privilege there actually - in that a transwoman with a GRC can marry a man, but without gay marriage, no other male could do that.