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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does reaching peak trans really mean anti ^all^ trans?

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Goatgirly · 13/11/2017 21:05

A few months ago I reached peak trans, because of the way trans activists behave to women, because children are encouraged to make decisions that no-one of their age is capable of making, because trans women with fully working male genitals should not have access to anywhere that is solely for women, whether that place is a changing room, ladies' loos, women's prison or wherever.

I've been informed that I am a terf, but this is mainly because I am against the extreme stance that some trans women have taken.

On the whole I have no issue with trans people at all, it wasn't even on my radar until fairly recently, when I stumbled apon Twitter and found ridiculous trans ideological posts, that biology is is a social construct and gender and stereotypes rule. I then found out about die cis scum, the cotton ceiling, and other delightful things that prove to me that certain trans women are just mysoginistic men and identifying as a woman hasn't changed that.

But at the same time, I still don't have a problem with most (assuming it's most?) trans people, although having read the Janice Turner article in the times the other day, I feel bad that young lesbians can't be who they are and wear what they want to wear without feeling they would be better off being men.

So, am I just confusing the issue? Is it possible to reach peak trans yet not really have a problem with trans people? Can I hold these views when my deep down opinion is that individuals can wear what they want, call themselves what they like, look how they want, do what they need to be happy, but they will still be the born sex that they are in every cell of their body, even if they have removed certain parts of that body, because that's how biology works?
I guess I'm just confused about how I feel at the whole thing.

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ReanimatedSGB · 25/11/2017 12:36

Nyx - I think that schools being encouraged to stop anti-trans bullying might help those DC who were previously getting beaten up in the playground/the loos for being 'gay' or 'wierd' . Though a good school should have an all round good anti-bullying policy and encourage children to accept diversity in the first place...

I'm getting more and more convinced that the whole business is being fuelled by manipulation of the sort that brought us Trump and Brexit - and quite possibly it's coming from the same people.

After all, who has the most to gain from 'equal rights for trans people' being percieved as a fight between transwomen and ciswomen? It certainly isn't women of any kind.

SelmaAndJubjub · 25/11/2017 13:10

I've found much older transsexuals (MTF) to be rather gentle, unassuming people who just want to potter about in the background, doing what they do, without drawing attention to themselves. It's impossible to have any problem with people like that

This. That was my experience of trans people - plus my childhood friend who is now FTM - until MN opened my eyes to the extremism of the TRA movement. I always try to distinguish between trans people in general and TRAs. The trouble is that TRAs continuously make claims on behalf of all trans people, despite being bravely challenged by people like Miranda Yardley.

Nyx1 · 25/11/2017 13:33

Just to say I have no issue with actual real transsexuals, I only know two but not well enough to ask their view on transgender.

Ekphrasis · 25/11/2017 14:27

Thanks for the intro to Rya.

This was fabulous

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-jVhZdJEg

(I think I initially believed the Pokemon thing though....!)

I think she really explains how it should be well.

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