Channel 4 news just now

[Ginmakesitallok]

Did anyone just see the piece on c4 news just now about sexual harassment? ?? 😡 Had some dame or other saying that women couldn't have it both ways - couldn't be empowered and then call victim when harassed and then went off on one about the poor men!! Grrrrrrr. Another woman saying that e.g. winking couldn't be harassment - that she enjoyed that attention
Jesus.

It’s like when the broadcasters talked about climate change and insisted on having idiot deniers “for balance” even though their position was bollocks.

The Times has an objectionable article by clare foges today too.

The backlash backlash has started. This is not helping women at all.

You will always have women who actively seeking to bask in the male gaze, and will champion men's bad behaviour to attract that gaze. At the expense of other women. "We can't have it both ways...". As if we ever asked for their skewered idea as to what womens' equality actually means...

Kat Banyard was the only voice of reason on there. The other 2 were just male apologists.

Clare Foges article in the Times was shocking - and depressing and the BTL comments just left me reaching for the

I'm utterly overwhelmed at the backlash and arrant nonsense that's everywhere since 'me too'. Its like being constantly trolled.

I turned over to this in the middle so missed the introductions; I recognised Ann Leslie and Kat Barnyard but who was the male apologist between them?

It's like Newsnight was slated for using males to discuss this, so let's use female anti-feminists instead

London she's called Joanna Williams and is the author of a book called "Women v Feminists". Never heard of her before but after tonight's C4 news I don't think she has a clear understanding of what feminism actually stands for.

Yep, here we go again

All forgotten again in a few days

Harvey Weinstein still a free man. Fallon will be promoted again. And nothing much else will go down in history.

I absolutely know what you mean by weary 'Mooncup'. I'm sick to death of people glazing over or getting defensive when I try to talk to them about the many concerns regarding the TRA agenda and womens rights, children being indoctrinated and encouraged to have life changing surgery etc...

Sometimes I just need to keep away from the news and the internet for a few days to recover because it is so fucking frustrating and exhausting.

We are making progress and the debates about this are getting more widespread attention. Softly softly isn't good enough but I think it's all we have.

You are not alone, you absolutely aren't.