Article Showing Autogynaphilia in Action

[MightyMikey]

Read this article in The Guardian today, how can anyone (even Guardian readers) deny AGP exists. This man explains the glee in involving unsuspecting shop workers to his fetish - surely the shop girls (I can safely assume he targets the young female cashiers) should be protected from this. They are unconsenting participants in his fetish.
Unfortunately, this guy is going to be more protected than these women workers if and when self ID comes into effect.
Guardian Article

Another article today

www.portsmouth.co.uk/lifestyle/big-read-once-i-opened-the-box-it-wouldn-t-close-1-8240202

Said fetishist has setup a website offering trans consulting services, because in 2017 sexual fetishes are human rights.

seechangehappen.co.uk

This is just how AGP individuals operate. A whole career benefiting from male privilege with a home life using a supporting wife (I could guarantee it was his wife who did the majority of child care/house-wife work); fathering children.
But now the time is to let go of the reins and do exactly as you please. indulging in your fetish. Note, no quote from the wife or adult children - makes me wonder how supporting they really are. Also note social contagion - only realised he wasn't just a crossdresser when in contact with other AGPs.

Yes he gets the fake tits but no of course he's not going to get rid of his cock, he needs that to wank.

Oh word, it's THIS attention-seeking wanker.

Only in the news a matter of weeks ago.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/christian-printer-refuses-turns-down-business-cards-for-transgender-consultant-nigel-williams-joanne-a8001491.html

He managed to find a beastly Christian who wouldn't print business cards for his trans business (which he conveniently publicised) and now he's also conveniently publicising it again.

It is always the Christians who get hung out to dry in this. They need some better advice.

Apparently this TIM had met the Christian printer before and knew full well his Christian views.

Totally targeted this guy to be used to promote his dodgy business (doesn't sound like a lot of companies are lining up to spend money so they can be told how bigoted they are).
Forget the rights of an individual's religious beliefs and trample all over them for a purely selfish reason of wanting to validate your femaleness and most delicate oppressesive person ever (baring in mind this is an ex military man). Also, lovely dose of self-promotion.
I say this as an agnostic, all people have a right to peacefully practice their religion. All Trans have a right to peacefully go about their business. No one should have a right to force some to participate in something they don't belive in.

My partner likes to wear women's clothing and lingerie from time to time, and I quite like it when he does. That said, when we've shopped for lingerie (which needs to be tried on) we've always contacted the store in advance, explained the situation, and asked if thats ok, and usually arranged with them to ask for particular assistant with experience or who doesn't mind.

They've always been really professional and matter-of-fact and so have we.

I think there's nothing inherently wrong with cross-dressing (I do it too - but I do think it's easier for a woman) but agree that it has to be done respectfully and consensually with anyone who is involved - even/especially on the periphery.

I don't think there's anything anti-feminist about cross-dressing per se, and I do think it's really common...

"It is always the Christians who get hung out to dry in this"

Isn't it funny that the story about the Christian teacher who was sacked for 'misgendering' came out in the last few days after quite a few gender critical articles

He uses the word "panties". Only the very old and perverts call them that.
I hope someone works out who he is and bans him from their store.

whycant why can't your P buy his lingerie online? Why does he need to involve a shop assistant? How do you know whether the shop assistant minds or whether they are concerned about losing their job and trying to be professional?

surely this is just a transvestite. Why are we using new words? Have people been trying to deny the existance of transvestites?

I dont understand the problem tbh. I am gender critical, but i dont give a shit that some blokes get turned on by wearing womens knickers. Everyones sexual fantasies are pretty grim if youre not interested in the person sexually. I dont see this as any different to a woman buying lingerie for sex purposes, although I didnt think you were allowed to try it on

There's not an issue of itself with this bloke wanking in his bedroom in women's clothes, any more than there is an issue with him having candles dripped on his bollocks or whatever else he might be into, the issue is when the sexual fetish is enacted in public and denying it is a hate crime.

It is not cool to involve non-consenting people with your sexual fetishes.

Blokes have been dressing up in their wives' knickers for decades, it's only recently that we have been told that this makes them women and they need access to the female changing rooms at the gym.

Quite obviously you don't understand Bran

I don't see BDSM aficionados setting up consultancies to tell employers how to be more accepting of people who like being whipped.

Branleuse Autogynephiles arent the same as transvestites. Transvestites like to cross dress, AGP's are narcissists. They start off by imagining themselves as women, and end up losing their sense of self in the fantasy. Its a long process spanning decades of their lives.

i thought there was a clearly defined difference between transvestites and transgender people. The article doesnt mention him wanting to be or thinking he is a woman.

Sorry I think i thought this thread implied that this is what trans is really, but i can see now that youre just saying that its grim and that he shouldnt be wearing womens underwear in public?

I've said this old joke before but:
What's the difference between a transgender and a crossdresser - Answer: About 2 to 3 years. (Joke crops up on TG forums all the time).
But really!! how can I tell a fetish dresser in the Ladies for a cheap thrill from a "genuine" Trans person, what is the difference? All women should take these mens word that they are the harmless type. And mostly they are harmless, until they're not, but too late then.

I don't see BDSM aficionados setting up consultancies to tell employers how to be more accepting of people who like being whipped.

Ha! Give it time. Especially as lots of trans people and gender snowflakes are into fetish/BDSM.

Branleuse
No, trans activists deny autogynephilia exists at all. The article is evidence that AGP does exist, despite the claims.
This thread is about how after gender self ID is introduced, AGP's will have legal protection to act out in public. More legal protection than any women have. And that is going to cause us problems.

Kinks are ok between informed, consenting adults. But its not ok to involve people who dont consent, especially not in public, including people such as shop workers who cannot object. That is abusive behaviour.

Everyones sexual fantasies are pretty grim if youre not interested in the person sexually. I dont see this as any different to a woman buying lingerie for sex purposes, although I didnt think you were allowed to try it on

In this case, the process of buying and trying on the lingerie is part of his fetish. As is forcing unwilling shop assistants to play along. He is actively involving them in his sexual fetish without their consent and using them to fuel his wanking basically. Can you really not see the difference between that and someone buying lingerie to be worn during a later sexual encounter?

More legal protection than any women have. And that is going to cause us problems.

And they will be protected by hate crime legislation so we can't call it out. And women have no such protection.

Obviously he shouldn't be upsetting the staff like that but at the same time their job is to sell lingere, what right do they have to be uncomfortable about what their customers do and do not wear? Unless the customer is doing something overtly inappropriate (in which case I would hope that their manager would be the first to van the customer from the store) what is the issue? Their purpose there is purely functional. If they allow themselves to get emotional about it they really shouldn't be working there.

This situation with shop assistants is one of those situations where "consent" can mask a multitude of problems. Like Louis CK claiming he never showed a woman his dick without asking (which seems to be untrue but anyway) then now having a revelation that they weren't in a position to so no. There are some things that should not be asked because the person being asked cannot answer freely. If they are forced to say yes, the person who asked gets a free pass on whatever they are asking.

Involving a shop assistant in a sexual fetish is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Haha Tt. You make it sound like shop assistants should be abiding by the retail version of the Hippocratic Oath

They are perfectly entitled to object to be an unwilling participant in someone else's sexual fetish