I am Janice Turner's No 1 fan - another excellent article

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This one picks up in particular the huge rise in women identifying as men, and the increasing inability of anyone being able to question it:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/even-asking-questions-is-now-transphobic-ztk3rlrfk?shareToken=1f64a5116171eb54a9a866590e6432ec

Is Shady Pines a euphemism for a graveyard or a nice asylum with padded walls for when you want to pound your head?

Did you see my previous post about chestfeeding? (While you are feeling despondent already).

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Shady Pines is the fictitious 'care home for retired gentlefolk'. frequently invoked by my sons when I fail to understand the youth vernacular.

I think I'm suffering from Google fatigue at the moment, so I didn't click. Bear with. I will do so now.

Spartacus: I noticed that paper on 'chestfeeding' was Canadian. Canada is so far down the trans rabbit hole it's no real surprise. Bit of a stretch I know, but it seems that Canada's reputation for being a kind and compassionate sort of country is spilling over into research. Never mind the facts as long as we can all cuddle and huddle together.

For me it was more the fact that a (presumably) reputable journal published it (unless it isn't reputable - it's out of my area and I didn't check its ranking) :(

Oh I see re Shady Pines... :)

I just checked Googlescholar - there are 26 articles that mention chestfeeding... all seem to be related to LGBT so at least it hasn't become the accepted term yet.

OMG I couldn't get further than this

"Further, HCPs need to be knowledgeable about lactation and chest care during binding and following chest masculinization surgery..."

Chest masculinisation surgery is a double mastectomy, ffs.

How can anyone, anyone be more concerned about what to call breastfeeding rather than focus on the reasons for having a double mastectomy, which make 'chest feeding' necessary in the first place.

I realise there is a moment where an HCP will be in this situation and need to be sensitive. And that the documentation may be written around this potential issue.

But it certainly feels like a deliberate averting of the eyes. An avoidance at all costs.

I find it incredibly difficult to express my feelings about this. I understand that breastfeeding, with gender dysphoria must be difficult.

But accommodating it by talking about chest masculinisation surgery and chest feeding feels like a teeny, tiny, minuscule sticking plaster being put on a massively, haemorrhaging wound.

visibly programming, making use of statistics or formal logic, having short hair, not wearing makeup, or wearing trousers from the mens department

So in their world, there are no mere ordinary non-trans women doing science, mathematics or engineering? Fuck that. Can't they see how deeply sexist that is?

I find it incredibly difficult to express my feelings about this. I understand that breastfeeding, with gender dysphoria must be difficult

What I don't get is that pregnancy and birth must blow this out of the water distress wise and if someone is so resolutely male surely, surely either they would find this just too distressing ...

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I guess it comes down to the reason why women transition. Stephanie Davis Arai said she had never come across a woman who transitioned and wasn't either a lesbian, had past sexual trauma, or was autistic.

To me, it must explain part of it. They see themselves less as actually being a man, and more wanting to escape from being treated like a woman.

Which, I realise, also flies in the face of childbirth and breastfeeding.

But it might be slightly easier to reconcile if your distress does not make you think you are actually a man.

You rarely hear transmen jumping up and down shouting transmen are men.

I don't know. I too don't understand how they can go through it without their distress flying off the scale.

I also think it's a very questionable situation in which to raise a child.

Well, I think it's just really confused and mostly young people being wound up to fuck, honestly. They're mostly trying to Do Good, they really are. The thing is once you've accepted that trans people are Most Harmed and virtue is protecting the Most Vulnerable Person, the rest flows from there. Other groups posit others as MVP and the same dynamic plays out - the same tactics are used.

Seems you're not allowed to be a butch dyke anymore, but that things that (many) dykes I know do, like shopping from the mens racks, using mens deodorant, having short hair, wearing a baseball cap, not shaving your legs, or generally acting as if you aren't subservient to any man that just happens to cross your path................
mean you are transmasc or a TM in denial. This is deeply homophobic, because I'm sure that loving women part comes in there as well, even if not explicitly stated.

I find the K. D. thing very sad (as well as making me very angry), because seems some folks, if they had their way and K. D. did decide she was a he, they would have her on T and destroy her beautiful voice. Seems take a dyke who has a great talent, who is actually appreciated by large numbers of lesbians that I know, and they want to take her away from us, and then us away from ourselves as well.

And let's not forget the attempts to disappear womens and lesbians history, where every women who dressed and passed as a man because there was no other way they could pursue the career they wanted, or live openly with their female partner, is now retrospectively transed............

Have people seen this? Jo Cox award for women goes to TW: twitter.com/criticalsisters/status/913513499808198658

Seems you're not allowed to be a butch dyke anymore, but that things that (many) dykes I know do, like shopping from the mens racks, using mens deodorant, having short hair, wearing a baseball cap, not shaving your legs, or generally acting as if you aren't subservient to any man that just happens to cross your path

May I ask a cheeky question? This actually has some backstory where a gay man recently told me that his family tried to stop him 'talking gay' and I didn't say anything but I wondered where the whole 'camp accent' comes from anyway. He seemed to think it was because he was gay that he talked like that. I'm curious (not critical) re your penchant for male attire and how this is a dyke image. Is this for comfort, do you feel most comfortable in clothing designed (in a gendered society) for guys or is it something about subculture or other? I don't like men's clothes for the most part (they never fit and colours are too dull, but I do love their natural fibres and durability) but I an neutral about others wearing them prefer them to heels and frills. I dress in 'mom clothes' so my US friends call them - elastic waist pants and roomy tops, natural fibres if I can get them. No shaving, but men's perfumes make me puke (I actually buy perfume-free everything) ... I guess I'm getting at what came first - the desire or the image and why so many butch women 'go' for men's clothes? Really not saying this is bad or wrong, I'm just curious, especially as so many would say it is 'proof' of latent transness.

Oh FFS.

When we say "er, TW are taking the things that are reserved for women", we get told that we are talking nonsense and we are just being bigoted. And then...a TW gets a place on a programme specifically for women at the expense of actual women...

FFS indeed. And presumably no-one in the current labour bubble will dare to say anything against it (if they even recognise it as a problem)

Datun I'm joining you at Shady Pines.

I like watching RuPaul's Drag Race and follow some of the ex contestants. Willam was known for being very acerbic and sarcastic. On his web show recently he made a few flippant remarks about trans people, among other things he said that "cutting your tits off doesn't make you a man". Fair enough! But he's copped a lot of shit since then and has posted a video that has a fellow ex-contestant educating him on trans terminology and apologizing for his comments. I've never seen him look so nervous and unsure of himself. Yet he still says he wouldn't sleep with a transman with no penis which means he's not out of the woods yet. He doesn't have to do it, but for max "woke" points he will have to say he'd be cool with it (eyeroll).

''Speaking to The Independent, she said transgender people were underrepresented at all levels of society'.

Even if Sophie Thingy is the only transgender person on the Women in Leadership scheme, that's 1% of the group. But more than 99% of women, however loosely defined, are female, therefore biological women are hugely underrepresented in this group.

I am so mad about that Jo Cox thing. Like so mad. So mad I am not coherent (as this post proves). I will tweet it out tonight to my hoards of followers (50).

TalkingintheDark

Done. I've booked twin rooms and put us down for bridge night every other Thursday.

Shady Pines sounds quite restful, especially if it's full of tetchy, card playing, gin-swigging feminists. Sounds like my kind of retirement home.

badbadhusky

I've put your name down. I've also signed us up to 'distilling your own gin'.

Ooh I'm going to join you on the gin course @datun

Count me in, I've got chemistry degrees so the distilling should be a doddle.

GAH someone on twitter now saying that 2 of the Jo Cox places have gone to TW.