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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Once again what is considered an ordinary and mundane task when done by a woman is madecsuper dpectacular by a man...

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randomuntrainedcuntowner · 11/09/2017 07:09

www.facebook.com/claire.rogers.58555/posts/10155360525674584

Millions of single mothers do their daughters hair every day. But here a single father shows us that we have been doing it all wrong.

Men have hands. There is no reason they cannot style hair. But he has become an internet sensation.

It's like when a woman cooks she is a cook, but when a man does it he is a chef.

A woman who makes clothes is a seamstress, a man who does it is a fashion designer.

I am willing to be told iabu or that I am overthinking and bitter and twisted. But was wondering what others thought?

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randomuntrainedcuntowner · 11/09/2017 08:04

Maybe I am just very pregnant and hormonal, and having to deal with a defiant 6 year old. If only somewhere was there to bring out the bunting when I finally got her to sit still enough to get her hair into a pony this morning... 😣

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RubyWinterstorm · 11/09/2017 08:08

maybe you are overthinking?

A cook is not the same as a chef. A chef is employed by a restaurant (MF), a cook is employed by an individual/family (in the olden days anyway). Lots of cooks were female I guess. But i don't think chef is in any way better than cook?

Also, about the hair, as far as I know (may be different where you live), hair styling ... dads are often not quite as hands on with this as some mums.

I am not interested in this guy and his hair styling, but I don't find it offensive that others are.

RubyWinterstorm · 11/09/2017 08:09

Stella McCartney, Ronit Zilkha, DOnatella etc are all fashion designers, not hear anyone call them "seamstress"

user1477249785 · 11/09/2017 08:11

YOu aren't overthinking. Men parenting is somehow worthy of an award. For women, it's just their job isn't it?

I was always struck when mine were younger that if I were with them and they were fussing on the tube I would get evil glares no matter how hard I tried to placate them. DH reported that he would get sympathetic smiles and offers of help for the same behavior. There's definitely one standard for women and another for men.

Gileswithachainsaw · 11/09/2017 08:11

Yanbu.

No wonder there are so many lazy husband threads. They want a sodding parade for doing what everyone else does daily.

So kids not have their hair brushed on contact days?

Do Drs get pulled put of surgery because they need to go so the kids hair despite daddy being home?

No.

Normal people get on with it.

Why are expectations so low it needs a Facebook page when a dad does a kids hair.

Dp does dds hair all the time

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 11/09/2017 08:15

I don't think it's a case of him being spectacular for doing his daughter's hair, but sticking two fingers up at societal norms.

Surely men need to be encouraged to do this so it becomes normal?

A bit like "WOW! Isn't Anita Roddick* wonderful..." in the 80s.

(* I think that was her name)

OhHolyFuck · 11/09/2017 08:31

Did you see the single dad on X factor? He was a single dad dontcha know, a dad AND he was single? Just him and his daughter being all singly daddy, he just wants a better life for his daughter because it's just them two...

They must have said it 6 times in his audition, like him and probably a few hundred/thousand woman auditioning too

randomuntrainedcuntowner · 11/09/2017 15:27

I know oh - if a woman announced she was a single mother on X factor she would get judgement, not sympathy.

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Notreallyarsed · 11/09/2017 15:34

It winds me up when people make comments about what DP does with the kids, mostly because it's the fact he's male that makes them comment. Why shouldn't he do DDs hair, or do . I do it, he does it, but it only ever gets commented on when he does which winds both of us up.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/09/2017 15:47

Woman who leaves a business meeting if their child is ill = not committed enough to the job

Woman who leaves a business meeting if their child is ill = superhero dad

BitOutOfPractice · 11/09/2017 15:48

Fail Blush

Woman who leaves a business meeting if their child is ill = not committed enough to the job

Man who leaves a business meeting if their child is ill = superhero dad

Manclife · 11/09/2017 16:27

Love it! There's constant complaints of dad's/men being crap and it's all as a result of patriarchy. Then when a guy goes against social norms he's slated by those wanting change. oh and before you shout 'but women do it all the time he's not special!' Men need praise for doing it till the balance tips. The same way women are praised for doing traditionally male roles or breaking other social norms on MN.

thedancingbear · 11/09/2017 16:30

Man who leaves a business meeting if their child is ill = superhero dad

I can assure you that my lived experience is that this is not the case. The stock response is 'can't your wife sort it out?'

OlennasWimple · 11/09/2017 17:37

if a woman announced she was a single mother on X factor she would get judgement, not sympathy - see Kym Marsh, for example

I've seen both applause and raised eyebrows at dads leaving work for a sick parent, but only ever plaudits for dads taking time off for sports day type events

VestalVirgin · 11/09/2017 17:56

I can assure you that my lived experience is that this is not the case. The stock response is 'can't your wife sort it out?'

Probably depends on how feminist the people in question think they are.

Declaring that wifey should do that seems the not-pretending-to-be-feminist response.

Whereas I could see alleged feminists praising a man for doing his share of childcare while considering women who leave a business meeting failures.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 11/09/2017 17:58

A woman who makes clothes is a seamstress, a man who does it is a fashion designer

You had a valid point until you got to this. I can't imagine anyone uses the word "seamstress"(unless you are performing Tiny Dancer)

I have a dressmaker- she repairs and alters dresses.She probably makes dresses as well, although I haven't used her for that. My husband uses her for alterations for trousers. He refers to her as "your dressmaker". I also have bespoke dresses from someone who is a designer. She designs the dresses and the dressmakers she employs make them up. I would never dream of calling any of them "a seamstress".

So far as cook/chef- the words are surely interchangeable- the posher the joint, the more likely it will have a chef.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/09/2017 18:12

I can assure you that my lived experience is that this is not the case.

I can assuer you that in my lived experience this is the case. Probably nobody would dare come out with the "can the wife do it?" comment in from of me

randomuntrainedcuntowner · 11/09/2017 21:53

My point is with the seamstress and cook examples is its women's work when it's just getting the job done, but the perception is that it requires a man to make it innovative and interesting. This guy could have just shoved her hair in a pony like the rest of us do - but he turned it into some amazing feat, that's all the more amazing because he is a single dad.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 11/09/2017 22:03

Your point about seamstress and cook are way off the mark.

No one calls female designers or dressmaker "seamstresses" ("Dressmaker" btw isn't gendered - Norman Hartnell for example was the Queen's dressmaker)

Cook does not imply female and chef does not imply male.

QuentinSummers · 12/09/2017 07:36

Men need praise for doing it till the balance tips. This made me imagine clicker training a dog Grin

Manclife · 12/09/2017 07:48

The same way women are praised for doing traditionally male roles

Interesting that you didn't choose this part of my post.

Backingvocals · 12/09/2017 08:00

I think you are right about seamstresses and cooks. These are typically women's jobs but it takes a man to elevate this to an art form. And no cook is not the same as chef but that's part of the point - one is paid one isn't.

Notreallyarsed · 12/09/2017 08:06

The same way women are praised for doing traditionally male roles

But we're not though! A mum who works an 80 hour week isn't likely to be praised is she? Or a woman who in the event of a marriage/relationship breakdown leaves the family home and her kids with their dad. Is she going to be praised?

Manclife · 12/09/2017 08:11

www.wisecampaign.org.uk/news/2017/04/wise-awards-for-amazing-stem-women-days-work-shadowing-prizes-with-top-directors

Couldn't find one for Men in teaching or health care though.

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