Once again what is considered an ordinary and mundane task when done by a woman is madecsuper dpectacular by a man...

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Millions of single mothers do their daughters hair every day. But here a single father shows us that we have been doing it all wrong.

Men have hands. There is no reason they cannot style hair. But he has become an internet sensation.

It's like when a woman cooks she is a cook, but when a man does it he is a chef.

A woman who makes clothes is a seamstress, a man who does it is a fashion designer.

I am willing to be told iabu or that I am overthinking and bitter and twisted. But was wondering what others thought?

Couldn't be arsed to point out the utter stupidity of suggesting that praise from mumsnetters motivated women to do "traditionally male things.

In female dominated areas like nursing and teaching men are disproportionately represented in management and higher level roles. Not sure men need prizes to enter them.

If you want men out of some roles and replaced by women those men need to go somewhere. You've pointed out it's as a result of social conditioning which doesnt get changed without doing something. So how else are we going to make traditionally female roles met attractive to men? The awards I linked to are for a reason.

Oh and being a manger in the NHS is being a manager which is a traditionally male role. I'm talking about frontline health care.

Thank you backing vocals, you more articulately explained my point. Things that women have been doing as part of the daily grind for centuries become more of an art form where men get more involved. Like doing a small child's hair ffs.

Good job this man came along and showed us all what a boring crap job we have been doing all this time when we just put it child's hair in a simple pony tail!

Just google 'first woman too' and it's full of women doing things men have been doing for years. Just because you see doing a child's hair as mundane doesn't make it unimportant. In a thread about women in STEM the feedback was it all stems from the parents so kids seeeing men doing traditional roles will change attitudes of a generation. Why is that such a bad thing?

'Men need praise for doing it till the balance tips. This made me imagine clicker training a dog '

Good boy! have a biscuit!

Its the having to be praised for banal, trivial easy things which is so tedious. Maybe manclife can find an analogy for those? (Don't complain about the activities of WISE, do something about lack of MIN and MIT - men in nursing/teaching)

First woman to put up a shelf? First woman to fix the dishwasher? Those are about on the same banality/importance level as hair.

Sure, its good for kids to see men doing 'mummy' tasks... as something completely normal, not as something requiring special attention. Just get on with it, chaps (as many, of course, do, just as women get on with 'daddy' tasks without fanfare). Normalise it.

Hmm, a grumpy dragon arent we. Have you not thought that by championing men doing these 'mundane' things we are doing something to get men into nursing and teaching? You know, that social change that people so want.

Oh and your assumption I was having a go at WISE shows you biased in your views of the world. I not only agree with what they do but think the concept should expanded.

a grumpy dragon aren't we?

did you mean to be so rude?

I can't do buns for some reason and when I took my girl to ballet I would get funny stairs
Sent my husband and they fell over themselves to help him do a bun

Why are buns so hard ??? But that's a whole other thread

@EnidColeslaw771

Woman works, big fucking deal.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/apr/26/meet-women-doing-mens-work

Or do you think they're just trying to change people's perceptions with exposure and praise?

@Notreallyarsed

Can the poster not raise that themselves?

Barf at Surgeon! Barf at them all actually Mancliff But none of those professions are mundane.

Equally barf at the praise heaped on a man for doing his child's hair. I take my son to the hairdressers, do I get a medal? I'm his parent.

And totally agree Enid. Do the basics and you get praise.

I put up my shed and fences. My best tool in the house is my Stanley Max.

When I was in the front garden fixing my bike once a kindly gentlemen stopped to tell me how great it was to see a woman fixing a bike. I beamed with pride so I can see how praising men for mundane tasks will be really beneficial.

Manclife ODFOD it's a thread on a public forum, the poster can raise whatever they like. You were rude, I commented on it.

To be fair to mancliffe, a friend of mine has recently split from her husband and is posting all the DIY she is doing on fb - regular, boring stuff like putting up shelves, painting and assembling furniture, and she's getting a lot of praise for it, along with comments from other women about how they couldn't do it.

@Notreallyarsed in that case I don't care what you think!

Lunchbreak ...back to MN from some banal tech stuff.

Manclife - did you mean to be so rude?

Yeah, this sort of thing sometimes makes me grumpy. And the point about WISE is more that its simply not comparable to a bloke doing his DDs hair, is it? And sure, there should be the equivalent for men in other areas - if there aren't then a thread discussing why not might be interesting, but Feminism wouldn't be the most appropriate place for it.

I put up all the shelves and do all the drilling in our heterosexual marriage. Even when I'm heavily pregnant. No one is bloody giving me any extra praise for doing it.

(Although I'm an engineer and DH is a liberal arts graduate which probably explains our division of labour more accurately than our genitals).

Totally agree. My DP is a good looking fella and when we're out and about, his normal interactions with our son earn him smiles and admiration from all quarters but particularly from women.

When I interact with my son nobody gives a flying fuck. It certainly doesn't result in men finding me more attractive.

@ErrolTheDragon Did you mean to be so rude? No, did you mean to be patronizing? “Good boy! Have a biscuit”

One of the issues around equality is the proportionately women tend to stay at home and do ‘mundane’ things while men go out to work (and do other mundane things) So, if we are going to change attitudes BOTH roles need enough numbers of the opposite sex to take an interest in them. If the guardian can heap praise on a woman driving a truck (which many men would find mundane) then why not heap praise on a guy doing an equally mundane role. Most areas of work have women only awards yet we do not have the same for men. Now before you say “all awards are for men” that’s a fair point but loses its potency when you say the same about female dominated rolls.
Let’s not forget the praise (and I’ll accept she got some criticism) Paris Jackson got for not shaving her legs which let’s face it is much easier the platting unconditioned hair!

Don't take things with a grin too seriously! That was just a mental image which amused me, and possibly rang a bell.

@Errol then I apologise for taking it the wrong way and for my reply.

I think you are right about seamstresses and cooks. These are typically women's jobs but it takes a man to elevate this to an art form. And no cook is not the same as chef but that's part of the point - one is paid one isn't

That is just nonsense. No one uses the word "seamstress".

Coco Chanel, Stella McCartney, Vivienne Westwood, Edina Ronay, Jill Sander, Agnes B, Anne Demeuelemeester, Vera Wang, Rei Kawakuba, Mary Quant, Victoria Beckham , Diane von Furstenberg, Elsa Schiaperelli and on and on and on are "designers" not seamstresses.

So far as cook or chef the distinction is the venue. The works canteen or the school canteen have cooks - restaurants have chefs.

The film was The Cook, the Thief, his Wife and her Lover - the cook was a man.

Ships and armies had cooks who were men. Elevating anyone who cooks to be a chef is a relatively modern usage. Delia et al are known as chefs.

Manclife Apology accepted, and I also apologise for (accidentally) misrepresenting you on WISE

No one uses the word "seamstress". well, except Sir Terry as a euphemism!