Transgender rapist moved to women's prison segregated after unwanted advances

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Rapist decides to change sex in prison, gets moved to women's prison, and then starts making 'unwanted advanced' on the women there. Wow, who could have seen that coming?

Jessica Winfield, 50, formerly Martin Ponting, was jailed in 1995 for an attack on two girls

So this person has spent 22 years in prison. That is a very very, long stretch for the UK.

"Life" in the UK does not automatically mean life. Anyone who has been there for 22 years not only must have been guilty of a very serious and aggravated crime but also must have shown no remorse or evidence of rehabilitation.

Yes, there is obviously a bit more to this story yet to come...

He raped two young girls, they were children

He raped two young girls, they were children

I now feel an urge to kick out the teeth of the person who decided he should go to a women's prison.

I thought paedophiles and child rapists were segregated anyway, to protect them against violence from other inmates.
Actually this could be what is happened here. I don't think a group of women, some of them presumably mothers, would be too welcoming to a child molester in their midst, and seeing as he would be outnumbered at times he could be the one at risk.
Or have I been watching too much cell block H? Can only imagine what Queen Bea would have done to him.

I thought paedophiles and child rapists were segregated anyway, to protect them against violence from other inmates.

Yeah, that's what happens in men's prisons.

Apparently he felt safe enough in the women's prison to make those unwanted advances.

Or have I been watching too much cell block H? Can only imagine what Queen Bea would have done to him.

I suppose you have. I fear real life prisons have a regrettable lack of women who'd be both able and willing to beat up the pedophile. Otherwise, men like him would never even consider demanding to be put in a women's prison.

Possibly all women who'd do such a thing are put in isolation cells for being "crazy" and "aggressive". That's what they usually do to women who attack men.

Vestal obviously it would take a joint effort, and possibly some kind of weapon. Are you suggesting violence never happens in a womans prison? Women can and do take physical revenge against paedophiles, even on their own.

Even if they had fully transitioned they can still rape as can another woman rape another woman.

If they are genuinely transgender and they were fully analysed why shouldn't they be allowed a chance to be with the gender they see themselves as? It's basic human rights, right?

What about the basic human rights of the women concerned not to share with violent males?

It's basic human rights, right?

It's not a basic human right to force everyone else to pretend that you are the opposite sex.

No exactly. Where do people get these bizarre ideas? Yet think it's a ok to put rapists in with female prisoners?

Mustang27

The term transgender doesn't include any element of genuineness or not. It's whatever anyone says they are. Irrespective of whether they have gender dysphoria or whether they present as female or whether they merely enjoy a cross dressing fetish. Irrespective of whether they've had surgery and whether they are attracted to men or women.

However the very last person to be housed with women should be a violence, deluded rapist.

*violent

You know what I completely agree considering their previous crimes however they may not have reoffended and be a completely acceptable human being for these women to be around.....obviously this is not the case here and no I don't think it is acceptable. There will be vulnerable people placed in the wrong environments the world over it's sad regardless.

How do we differentiate who has genuine body dysmorphia and who is taking the piss to get access to someone or something more vulnerable than them. Or do we believe that if someone is in prison they don't deserve to transition?

I know we are dealing with a rapist here, sorry I'm not deliberately being inflammatory I just find it hard to know what is the right decision other than treating everyone as an individual.

Maybe it should just be the case that all transgender/ transitioning people should be kept together but not mixed.

Any reputable source for the initial story? Or do we all just believe everything we read on the internet without question?

I'm all for proper debate on this but if we need to make stuff up to prove our points then we're not going to get anywhere.

Mustang27

How do we differentiate who has genuine body dysmorphia and who is taking the piss to get access to someone or something more vulnerable than them. Or do we believe that if someone is in prison they don't deserve to transition?*

I don't see it as an issue that is deserved or not. It just is.

But neither do I believe you can change sex. Prisons are segregated for reasons that other places are segregated by sex.

If the prison authority wants to change the criteria, then that's a different issue.

Are you suggesting violence never happens in a womans prison? Women can and do take physical revenge against paedophiles, even on their own.

Well, I have no idea how much violence happens in women's prisons. Though I am pretty sure TV shows exaggerate, they always do.

I assume that males who have spent a lot of time in prison are more knowledgeable about that than me, and since they seem to be just fine with taking their penises to a woman's prison, it stands to reason that there's probably not enough women who have their razor blades ready to castrate the pedophile.

I mean, I'd wish a male pedophile in a women's prison would get his "bottom surgery" free of charge, courtesy of the actually female prisoners there, but this obviously isn't what happens. Else we would have heard about it already. (I mean, it would be all over the press, the transactivists would be SO delighted to finally have some actual violence they can blame on "terfs")

Any reputable source for the initial story? Or do we all just believe everything we read on the internet without question?

What would constitute a reputable source? Most mainstream media probably won't dare touch a story like that.

No, I don't believe everything I read on the internet, but there's been other reports of male rapists being sent to women's prisons and molesting the women there, and there ARE reputable sources for the fact that male rapists are sent to women's prison - the transactivists never made a secret of wanting males to be treated legally the exact same as women, with access to ALL women's spaces. They only don't want to admit that some male trans / males claiming to be trans, are rapists. That bit, everyone with a bit of common sense can figure out themselves.

The story about making advances was reported in The Sun and The Daily Mail. Whether they are reliable or not I leave to you to decide.

Yes, mainstream media are renowned for keeping away from sensational or outrageous stories.

www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

I think we can consider the Sun and DM count as "mainstream media" whatever we may think of them, so not sure why the accusation of people on the thread making the story up.

Oh I'm not accusing them of making it up. Both have made up stories or taken liberties with the actuality but I wasn't saying that here.

Sorry Lass that wasn't directed at you.