Transgender rapist moved to women's prison segregated after unwanted advances

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www.cetusnews.com/news/Transgender-rapist-lag-%E2%80%98put-in-segregation%E2%80%99-over-%E2%80%98sexual-advances-to-female-prisoners-.BkeCnqnht-.html

Rapist decides to change sex in prison, gets moved to women's prison, and then starts making 'unwanted advanced' on the women there. Wow, who could have seen that coming?

I'd cut it off for free

So what exactly was the £10,000 spent on (presumably from the NHS) if he still has his penis? What's he got himself? A nice pair of breasts he can fondle whilst playing with his penis?

I think if they have the surgery to remove the penis then fair enough, that shows commitment. If not they are not women and can't be treated as such. Would like to see some statistics about just how many of these transwomen still actually are hanging on to the old todger. Sounds like having your cake and eating it to me.

That said women prisoners should not be put at risk because prison officers are not paid enough.

Of course they are, have you ever heard the analogy "pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys"?. At £17k a year for new recruits, it's an entry level job with no qualifications needed. Loads of people entering the prison service because it's easy to get the job and not because they are interested in the job itself. It's disastrous to be honest!

I've been out a couple of years but the figures were roughly £21k pa for males and £47k pa for females. The reasons are many, but some of the costs are down to things such as women needing more medical treatments either through pregnancy or other related stuff (you've gathered I'm male so not well versed on female medical stuff!) and also higher rates of drug addiction. Access to education and efforts to rehabilitate tend to be better (and more costly) in female jails.

I've worked in both male and female. I've seen quite a few transgender MtF but no FtM. In all fairness, most of the transgendered prisoners I dealt with never caused a drama. They just wanted to get on with life. I can remember a couple coming in still not fully transitioned.

The case I mentioned above similar ended in a similar outcome to the Bronzefield one.

How would I safeguard FtM? Not sure to be honest. Possibly some kind of poor copers wing. If I had someone vulnerable on my wing I used to make them my wing cleaner or hot plate orderly so as I could keep an eye.

That said women prisoners should not be put at risk because prison officers are not paid enough.

I don't want to get into rights and wrongs but all prisoners are put at a higher risk, along with officers. I suspect in these straightened times females do relatively better than men.

When I worked in female jails you always had ministers and other big wigs wandering round. In your average Cat B local, nobody gives a shit.

As for the £25 Datun mentioned, it's not something I've heard of.

busyboys - about 75% of transwomen retain a working penis apparently

fairplayforwomen.com/trans-women-working-penis

In your average Cat B local, nobody gives a shit.

This I can say with absolute certainty is true!

Flyingflipflop

I didn't know you were male. But I'm now totally seeing you as Mr Barraclough from Porridge, whilst channelling your inner Mr Mackay when necessary.

busyboysmum

I believe, statistically, 80% do not have genital surgery. With women, it's even higher. Hardly any have genital surgery, because it is so unsuccessful and can't function.

Personally, even genital surgery wouldn't do it for me. Many autogynephile's ultimate fantasy is to have sex 'as a woman', even if that means losing their penis.

The fetish relies on the humiliation of women and seeing them as victims. Despite, still being attracted to them, yet having a pseudo bisexuality in order to fulfil their fantasy.

Flying as much as you are correct that pay cuts risk everyones safety this thread is about a male prisoner what is serving life for raping 2 women has been put in a womens prison which resulted in him making unwanted sexual advances towards female prisoners. Not pay cuts to prison staff.

Cosmic I think you missed the point. Cuts to staffing levels means the most experienced staff have left. Leaving us open to stupid decision making like this.

The stupid decision making was ultimately made when some bozo decided prisons should be segregated upon gender and not sex.

It should be unthinkable that a MTF should be in a women's prison. It was always going to be a total fuck up.

"How does the mindset go that says this man hates women, likes to attack women, has been convicted for raping women, has a fetish about being a woman, - I know, let's put him in with the women.

What possible leverage could someone apply to make that happen? And why would you concede to it?"

@Datun spot on as usual.

The penis is neither here nor there. A violent male rapist is a violent male rapist with or without a penis.

I probably have missed the point.

I just felt the thread was shifting from rapist in female prison to prison officers deserve more pay.

I think you missed the point. Cuts to staffing levels means the most experienced staff have left. Leaving us open to stupid decision making like this.

That's a theory.

However, I have met several people who went to university and returned brainwashed idiots. Those people presumably were smart beforehand.

My theory is that this is a problem caused by misogyny and transideology, and everyone (except radical feminists) is vulnerable to that. Even experienced prison staff.
Especially if experienced prison staff are forced by idiot politicians, to give MtT what they want, or else.

If it were just about money, leaving the MtT in men's prison would be the cheaper option. No serious thought required, a monkey, okay, an ape, would be quite able to figure it out. It is because they hate women that they even consider putting a male rapist into a women's prison.

Perhaps Flying wants to open a new thread about prisons. I for one would like some numbers on the claimed better access female prisoners have to education. Because I heard exactly the opposite: That women's prisons are shit, because they are so few of them that it doesn't seem worth the effort to provide decent rehabilitation and education options.

Prison allowance rates and info listed here, trans prisoners receive the highest allowance, rates table on page 9,

www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/01/Earning-and-spending-money-findings-paper-final-draft.pdf

I'm genuinely confused about what happens, if we're going down the route of separating by gender and not sex, to prisoners who identify as fluid or binary or no gender. Experience tells me they'll be shoved in with the women, because women has basically come to mean everyone who doesn't identify as a man. Obviously that route leads to any bloke who isnt necessarily a rapist but simply fancies a cushier time in prison claiming to be agender.

I'm also curious if we'll ever get trans activists declaring, as they have with toilets, that prisons should simply all be gender neutral. I wonder if even they will balk at that given the difference in likelihood of violence between the general population who use public toilets and the prison population.

thanks flipflop, that's given me some food for thought on the practicalities of the situation. I'm more concerned than ever, though...

Because I heard exactly the opposite: That women's prisons are shit, because they are so few of them that it doesn't seem worth the effort to provide decent rehabilitation and education options.

I work in a male cat B. I bank in the local female prison. The female prison doesn't have rats and cockroaches for starters. The female prisoners all have access to pillows, clean kit, enough food. I cannot say the sane about the local cat B sadly.

I really hope prisons do not become gender neutral! The majority of violent crime is carried out by men!

Sadly, we need situations like this to happen. Otherwise, the TAs will just keep saying that they never do happen.

I wonder if even they will balk at that given the difference in likelihood of violence between the general population who use public toilets and the prison population.

Probably not.

I really hope prisons do not become gender neutral! The majority of violent crime is carried out by men!

Well, as rapists are already put into women's prisons, I have to admit I am not so much worried about men who are in prison for beating up other men or for nonviolent crimes, also go there.

They might even balance things out somewhat.

Only concern is the high percentage of rapists in the general male population, and thus any prison population. There's probably lots of rapists in prison who are not in prison for their rapes, but for other crimes.

Perhaps Flying wants to open a new thread about prisons

Not particularly!

I'm not going to go digging through reams of statistics to prove that women have better access to education. I'm not sure they'd exist, all I can say is what I saw over many years in the service at many jails, not what I heard from a third party.

The other thing I would ask is can you think of any female jails that's not relatively new? Off the top of my head I can't (I'm talking England and Wales). No female jail is an old, crumbling, Victorian building. Newer jails do have far better facilities.

Ultimately though jails aren't about prisoners or officers or men or women or transgendered. They're about people as individuals. It's about getting staff that are skilled and experienced enough to ensure everyone's safety.

Sadly, we need situations like this to happen. Otherwise, the TAs will just keep saying that they never do happen.

Eh, it has happened already, many times, and they still say that.

They are utterly, completely removed from reality. As one would expect from people who happily deny realities that are right in front of their eyes, such as the existence of two sexes with different roles in reproduction that cannot be changed.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-rapist-womens-prison-segregation-sexual-advances-inmates-sexual-assualt-a7932866.html

The Indie are claiming that the story is false, but that he has been segregated