Lord of the Flies remake with girls

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Loving this in a faceplant kind of way...

www.theguardian.com/film/2017/aug/31/lord-of-the-flies-remake-to-star-all-girl-cast

grace Making lord of the flies with girls is a bit silly.
But girls can be absolutely fucking brutal in the way they bully. They do tend to bully using psychological tactics. I was bullied horribly at school. It's just as bad as physical bullying. It's an attempt to make the other person feel friendless and destroy their self esteem.
If a woman was being emotionally abused by her partner, would you say 'well at least they're not hitting you' ?

Seachange no of course not, but it's just part of a wider demonisation of teenage girls generally, that they're all evil manipulators who are experts at psychological bullying. Some girls are bullies in that way, lots aren't. I don't think it would be an inevitable consequence of a desert-island-full-of-girls situation but that's where I can see the story going.

I'm sure I read a study (but I can't find a reference right now so it's possible it was just somebody's opinion) that found boys and girls both do the vicious psychological bullying, name calling, falling out, making someone feel useless. Boys also do the physical bullying, so that's what we see as the boys type of bullying. So it's not as clear cut as " boys but each other, girls are psychological".

I know I've seen boys being really verbally nasty to each other. My brother was horribly bullied as a child, but only very rarely was he hit, it was mostly the other boys calling him names and refusing to be his friend. I've also had boys in my form at work suffer from the nasty comments and exclusion that people think is exclusive to girls (obviously once I know about it, it gets dealt with, but quite often they leave it a while before they tell anyone).

Well at the time of writing the Empire was in full collapse. And I think there was, and still is, this great question.

A rationalisation was that English society is made of better stuff, the volksgeist. These tropical places, the peoples, were naturally inclined towards chaos and violence. The male boarding school is perhaps the greatest symbol, almost a cultural idol, of this. Order. Class. Structure.

These institutions are temples of patriarchy. So yes using a female cast, perhaps from a comprehensive school, would be different. But I can easily imagine a group of girls scared witless by the Beast, and one stepping forward and saying, "Let's hunt it and kill it".

Has a film ever been made that's about a group of girls that doesn't have them.all as appearance obsessed bimbos? Can almost garuntee they will be all but naked with some girl on girl.thrown in.

I though the whole point of Lord of the flies was that they were boys? And how they reverted into almost primal states to survive

At a time when the film industry is finally being pushed to use actors of the correct race for a role, it seems a very odd step in the other direction to substitute girls into boy characters, just for the sake of it.
I suspect there would be a lot of protest if it was the other way around, and they remade something with men playing all the female characters.

As well as lots of bikinis / toplessness, I predict that two characters will develop feelings for each other and have to explore their burgeoning lesbianism in some detail...

I said exactly the same thing to my OH.

Lord of the Flies is an allegory the kids on the island are society and it becomes a war within a war. As society is beset with patriarchal structures it represents that and shows displays of masculinity with the inevitable violent conclusions to this. Yes, Simon is the individual and the flash of morality and differing styles of government are represented but the facts are if the cast of the novel were not male the story would change as the ritualism of the hunt and the violence would not be the same. It couldn't be the same as girls are socialised differently. So remaking it with girls is a nonsense, if you were faithful to the novel's story it would be a highly unlikely conclusion and if you changed it to reflect how a matriarchy would proceed it would be another story entirely taking only the premise of the novel as a starting point. Which may be an interesting idea for a story but NOT a remake of LORD of the Flies.

It's just BS and yes, as said by weary voices here (who have seen all this shit before and know where it is heading) probably a thinly veiled excuse for yet more female nudity (there just isn't enough of it in films donchakno) and maybe a bit of hot lesbo action.

BTW I've taught this book several times and I always reread it. I've read it A LOT.

LOTF is one of my favourite books. Agree the plot couldn't be replicated by just transplanting girls for boys and having the rest pan out in the same way.

This would be much better done if the film makers took the same premise (bunch of girls stranded on an island), and took it differently from there.

I'd be interested to hear how people think that scenario would play out? Formation of cliques and social exclusion as a way to yield power is my bet.

Has a film ever been made that's about a group of girls that doesn't have them.all as appearance obsessed bimbos?

I assume you mean young women rather than girls (since you refer to them being naked), but The Descent fits that bill.

I know that women and girls can sometimes be very nasty and bully through words etc etc (I went to an all girls school) but men can be incredibly bitchy to/about each other too. I used to work on a north sea oil rig and honestly, some of the cliquiness and bitching that went on was startling similar to my experience of teenage girls.

Im.not sure showing young teens at secondary school ,horror movies to discuss group dynamics would take off

Trouble with these movies is that despite the age group they are trying to portray it's very very obvious that the actors and actresses are much older. Roswell, Dawson's creek, vampire diaries, scream,

And often because they are older things are pushed a bit more

I know that women and girls can sometimes be very nasty and bully through words etc etc (I went to an all girls school) but men can be incredibly bitchy to/about each other too. I used to work on a north sea oil rig and honestly, some of the cliquiness and bitching that went on was startling similar to my experience of teenage girls.

I can absolutely believe that and having worked in academia I can tell you it is the same there.

I hope that bikinis and gratuitous nudity wont be a thing! They're supposed to be children aren't they?

I was thiking about that. I wonder if they will make them older high school students to circumvent this.

Of course there is the chance I am entirely wrong and far too cynical and they will just use younger actresses and cover them up but previous evidence in the film industry makes me sceptical.

I suspect there would be a lot of protest if it was the other way around, and they remade something with men playing all the female characters.

Hahahaha. No.

How many films do you know that have an all female cast? How many?
I cannot recall a single one.

Pride and Prejudice obviously is far from being all-female, but if they switched the sexes of the characters, I'd totally watch that.

I cannot recall a single one.

Well, I named The Descent above, but it sprang to mind because there are hardly any. Not sure I can think of another.

it's just part of a wider demonisation of teenage girls generally, that they're all evil manipulators who are experts at psychological bullying.

Very much so Grace and it's incredibly tiresome. In my opinion it displays the misogyny inherent in society that teenage girls are frequently labelled in this way. I have posted before on this subject but I go to a girls' school and this definitely does not go on. Girls are supportive of one another and go out of their way to be so, across friendship and year groups. This isn't unique to my school as I know girls at other girls' schools who also experience this kind of thing. I find it exasperating that girls are continually labelled negatively and such behaviour seen as "typical teenage girls" when it's just how some people act - some boys do exactly the kind of behaviour which is described as typical of teenage girls (I've heard about such bullying amongst boys) yet it'd never be commented on in the way it is with girls, as a way of judging teenage girls as a group in such a negative fashion.

Which is why the first section of wonder woman was such fun, as regards female only productions.
This supposed remake is either stupid or prurient or both.

A certain amount of what is often dismissed as "banter" (a v. wide term) is, in fact, exactly the kind of passive aggressive just-kidding-not-really, sly nastiness that society associates with teenage girls.
The same comments that would be bitchy if made by a woman/girl become banter when made by a man/boy.

Will the re-make pass the Bechdel test, I wonder? Or will the castaways spend their time discussing the boyfriends they have left behind?

How will they deal with periods?

How is there going to be any sense of competition amongst the girls if there is no boy for them to compete over?

As long as they make it accurate and bully the prettiest by taking pictures of her sweat patches, and extrapolate this to being a bad mother, I'm fine with it

It's a long time since I read this but I thought the bots were about ten!!!!

museumum there were 'little 'uns' and 'big 'uns' if I remember correctly. I thought the little 'uns were about five and the big 'uns were tweens.

I'm pretty sure the main character was twelve, still with the sticky out stomach of childhood - I had the impression I think that they were all pre-pubescent (which probably had some significance?)