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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Susan Nicholson case - heartbreaking

326 replies

HeatedCatFurniture · 28/08/2017 21:35

I've read bits about this before but this article sets it all out in detail.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/28/the-police-knew-another-girl-had-died-in-his-bed-robert-trigg-susan-nicholson

It's appalling. Those poor women, those poor families - and that elderly couple, spending years and £££ bashing their heads against a brick wall of indifference from the police.

And so many of the officers named in the article are women, too.

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KMoKMo · 30/08/2017 20:07

For goodness sake. I'm not saying the topic is comedy. I'm saying RodHull's handling of an idiot who doesn't know they first thing about law is!!

BrandNewHouse · 30/08/2017 20:12

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JigglyTuff · 30/08/2017 20:13

Wow. A police officer thinks three women being brutally assaulted and two of them murdered by the same bloke absolutely hilarious

What japes!

Fucking hell. Every now and then, I think I should have reported my rapist and then a couple of really cunty police people come on here and confirm that I made the right decision. Because of twatty officers like you, rapists, wife beaters and murderers are walking free. Well done. Really upholding the letter of the law there Hmm

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 30/08/2017 20:15

At that time there was nothing to suggest it was murder, and no evidence to suggest he'd done it.

-One dead girlfriend could be explained, two seems careless

  • He didn't call the police /ambulance either time
  • His story made no sense (sofa too small)
  • He was already known to the police due to violence against this (and other!) women.

None of this would raise any suspicions with the police. None at all?

Datun · 30/08/2017 20:17

Amazing that your comedy value was in someone connected to the police talking to victims of domestic abuse, rape and sexual assault. That he/her was defending this case that was, quite blatantly and evidently woefully, mishandled.

"I totally agree. This lets women down everywhere. It's incredibly difficult. But I really understand where you're coming from. I wish it was easier. Sometimes things are missed, sometimes people make mistakes. I can only empathise with why this is difficult for you. How can I help?".

That is the correct response.

Ffs.

MadgeMidgerson · 30/08/2017 20:17

Disappointing but not surprising to see police and their cheerleaders taking the piss

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 20:20

*rod. You are answering these posts, whilst mired in process.

Women here have told you about their experiences, about the lack of confidence in the police force. This case highlights their every suffering.*

Yes, and I am as sympathetic to their problems. If anything I was explaining why it was missed, and to counter the argument that it was down to misogyny. Granted I'll never change the minds of the die hards, but I'll try for everyone else

Grawp · 30/08/2017 20:24

Yes pretty sickened to see 2 police officers supposedly enjoying this thread, given the subject matter and so many posters sharing their own traumatic experiences in this area. Really warms my heart.

Flowers to all those who have been through rape / DV.

kittybiscuits · 30/08/2017 20:24

I hope this thread isn't deleted. It's an object lesson in everything that's wrong with the police force. A woman died at the hands of her violent partner. He was only brought to justice through the efforts of her elderly parents. It's a disgrace. Have some fucking respect.

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 20:25

Fucking hell. Every now and then, I think I should have reported my rapist and then a couple of really cunty police people come on here and confirm that I made the right decision. Because of twatty officers like you, rapists, wife beaters and murderers are walking free. Well done. Really upholding the letter of the law there hmm

Yeah nice try. You don't get to put shit like that on me. That's your decision and yours alone.

I've explained the process of how this was missed. That's all.

And I think you'll find "twatty officers" like me are the ones who arrest these rapists and wife beaters. Granted I haven't arrested a murderer yet, but you know if the situation arises.

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 20:28

Yes pretty sickened to see 2 police officers supposedly enjoying this thread, given the subject matter

Who's enjoying the thread? Where have I said that?

Datun · 30/08/2017 20:29

Yes, and I am as sympathetic to their problems.

On paper. In your head. In reality, no you are fucking not.

Do you really, honestly think you are? Are you cheerleading, campaigning for a desperately one-sided aspect of violence? Male violence?

You can talk about hands being tied, letters of the law, due process, all you like. But, your slip is showing. Not just showing, it is going off like a klaxon.

And, never forget, that the women here, have heard that klaxon.

annawoolfworries · 30/08/2017 20:30

I'm horrified by the attitudes of the police on this thread.

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 20:32

Oooh how very nautical, and we were getting on so well.....

Are you cheerleading, campaigning for a desperately one-sided aspect of violence? Male violence?
Nope. I'm taking them away in handcuffs. What are you doing. Because I'm pretty sure my way is more effective.

MadgeMidgerson · 30/08/2017 20:36

gosh why do people say that police are thin skinned callous arse holes?

I'd investigate further but can't see any real reason to bother...

JigglyTuff · 30/08/2017 20:37

Yes it was my decision. But my previous encounters with the police informed that decision. And you and your charming sidekick have done nothing but reinforce it.

I do lay it on you. You're an absolute disgrace, the pair of you.

Datun · 30/08/2017 20:38

Rod

Do you sincerely not realise how you're coming across?

You are defending the indefensible. And whilst you might have a reason to do that, the very fact that you're doing it is coming across as awful.

You should be empathising, sympathising, supporting. You're not. You're defending, calling women idiots.

BrandNewHouse · 30/08/2017 20:43

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NearlyFree17 · 30/08/2017 20:45

annawolf I am horrified by the attitudes of the police in this thread as well.
Unfortunately they 100% tally with my real life experience, which is that at all costs they close ranks to avoid admitting a fuck-up.

AntiGrinch · 30/08/2017 20:46

"Do you think everything was ok with this investigation?
In the initial stages yes. After the first complaint, I'm not so sure. "

I don't get this.

The initial stages of investigation let a murderer go. Only because of that was there any cause for complaint. How was everything ok with the investigation? are you saying it's fine for murderers to slip through the net and get picked up later by people's parents - only the parents should have been listened to a bit sooner in this case?

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 20:51

I do lay it on you. You're an absolute disgrace, the pair of you.

So you lay a decision you have taken in the past, on me, whom I'm pretty sure you've only just become aware of today? Right-o. Hmm

You should be empathising, sympathising, supporting. You're not. You're defending, calling women idiots.

Nope. I've very much implied only one is. And I'm very much looking forward to that link of hers. Which I'm sure will be along any time soon.

FlaviaAlbia · 30/08/2017 20:54

What AntiGrinch just said ^^

PatMullins · 30/08/2017 21:36

I grew up with an abusive copper for a dad, the responses by the police officers on this thread fucking disgust me.

PenguinsAreAce · 30/08/2017 22:03

Is the unexplained, unexpected sudden death of a woman in her early 50s not suspicious? Especially when her partner failed to ring 999 in a timely way or attempt resuscitation etc? Genuinely curious. Because if it is only suspicious once the cause of death is confirmed after post mortem, then potential crime scene evidence is by then long gone surely?

Add into that some background info about the partner, trouble in the home...

The facts remain that she was murdered and the initial police response and subsequent investigation failed to uncover evidence of this at the time. The evidence must have existed, as the crime was committed. The potential failings of the post mortem process are a linked, but separate issue.

I know someone who died unexpectedly in her sleep (undiagnosed heart condition). The police were involved initially, and although they were sensitive to her husband, who had made considerable efforts to attempt resuscitation and was extremely distraught, the potential for foul play was clearly one thing to be eliminated until they knew more. This did not, of course, mean arresting him immediately, but also did not mean doing nothing to secure potential evidence in case something later came to light. Oh, and he had no history of violence either.

OlennasWimple · 30/08/2017 22:05

It's difficult to say this, given the general direction of the thread, but I think I would rather live somewhere that respected the rule of law than somewhere that rounded up "the usual suspects" whenever a crime was committed.

Real police work isn't like we see on TV: there are very few super databases like on NCIS which give details of everyone who got so much as a speeding ticket in the last ten years; the process to go through to get a tracking device placed on a suspect....well....it would take all the series, not five minutes in an episode. Police are under intense pressure, and where a case can be closed they are told to close it, so that they can focus on the unresolved cases. I can see how the investigating officers gratefully reached for the easy answer that the coroner's report offered them.

To be clear, I am not saying that the case wasn't mishandled, or that there are clear questions to be answered. Hopefully this review will do that, along with considering whether there are systemic issues to be improved (like the Lawrence inquiry into the Met Police did).

And Flowers to her brave, tenacious parents

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