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Susan Nicholson case - heartbreaking

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HeatedCatFurniture · 28/08/2017 21:35

I've read bits about this before but this article sets it all out in detail.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/28/the-police-knew-another-girl-had-died-in-his-bed-robert-trigg-susan-nicholson

It's appalling. Those poor women, those poor families - and that elderly couple, spending years and £££ bashing their heads against a brick wall of indifference from the police.

And so many of the officers named in the article are women, too.

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Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 19:08

It is stunning that you would say that you are genuinely stunned.
Most people don't start making laws up and arguing that the police should have used their fantasy laws. That's fairly stunning behaviour, No?

Let's get killing people then? We can even know them, hospitalise them after badly beating them up and we know the police wouldn't even touch it with a barge pole.
All those people in prison just walked in then? Or are you being slightly silly again?

Elendon · 30/08/2017 19:10

So years later he was arrested, charged and convicted. Years after the event happened.

@Ron suggested that the 'newspaper article' was based solely on the testament of the victim's parents, when clearly this is a piece of solid investigative journalism based on facts.

He was arrested on the charge of her murder. Which should have happened at that time. Waiting on pathology is errant nonsense. This was a case that had suspicions written right through it. Which is why he is now in jail and why her parents sought to fight it so valiantly.

Elendon · 30/08/2017 19:13

Trigg is in prison for murder though. It took thousands of pounds of the victims parents to get him there though. A case that was blatantly obvious, years later, to be a miscarriage of justice.

Elendon · 30/08/2017 19:15

What was he arrested for eventually @Ron?

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 19:24

Waiting on pathology is errant nonsense

This gets better and better. It's like a child who's learnt a new phrase and is determined to show horn it into every conversation whether it fits or not. Grin

So today in things Elendon thinks is "errant nonsense"
A) Police having to abide by PACE
B) Waiting on pathology to determine cause of death.

Amazing. What are you lining up for tomorrow?

I'll wait patiently for my link to the offence of "Death by suspicious circumstances"
And how that suspect could be dealt with through the medium of "No arrest, brought in for questioning"

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 19:25

shoe horn
Bloody Blood predictive text

Elendon · 30/08/2017 19:28

You are deliberately misquoting @Ron. It doesn't bode well for your argument. (If I was your duty solicitor, I'd beg you to stop).

Can you please answer my question.

Why was he eventually arrested and what were the circumstances?

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 19:37

If I was your duty solicitor, I'd beg you to stop

There's really not much chance of you being any sort of solicitor so I'm not overly concerned to be honest....

And I'll answer as soon as you can show two things.

  1. Where I have misquoted you
  2. The link to "the offence of Death by suspicious circumstances"
Elendon · 30/08/2017 19:40

@Ron

Can you please quote to me the part of the law that he was subsequently arrested on and in which the custody sgt was happy with?

Elendon · 30/08/2017 19:43

C'mon @Ron the police didn't just go to his house and arrest him for no good reason. The CPS didn't bring it to trial for no good reason.

Under what circumstances @Ron was he arrested?

kittybiscuits · 30/08/2017 19:44

I think the answer is that Rod can't and is making a poor attempt at smokescreen. But you knew that already Elendon.

BitOutOfPractice · 30/08/2017 19:45

He wasn't even a witness to her death. It happened whilst he was asleep.

He wasn't asleep. He murdered her.

Datun · 30/08/2017 19:47

He was obviously arrested because her mother said so.

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 19:47

Of course I can.

I'm just TOO excited for Elendon's law link. As you can imagine it's very important that I've missed a whole previously unknown law for so long! Every days a school day :)

Come on Elendon, don't keep me in suspense

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 19:52

I think the answer is that Rod can't and is making a poor attempt at smokescreen. But you knew that already Elendon.

I think it's very sweet you're getting involved. Sticking up for a friend is very admirable. But aren't you excited to learn some new law? Not curious as to how to arrest, book in and charge the offence? Not even a little bit intellectually curious?

Come on pull up a chair this is going to be FASCINATING!!

Datun · 30/08/2017 19:52

rod

I think the question is what was he arrested for, eventually, that he could not have been arrested for before?

kittybiscuits · 30/08/2017 19:56

^ yes that

KMoKMo · 30/08/2017 19:58

I haven't yet read the whole threat but as a fellow police officer, RodHull you are handling this awesomely. I can't wait to show my husband (also an officer).

Elendon you're making yourself look like a prize idiot. Congratulations. Thank god not just anyone can join the force!!

MadgeMidgerson · 30/08/2017 19:59

None of this is surprising

the police are primarily there to protect the interests of the state, and property. Sometimes that aligns with protecting lives. Sometimes not.

it is funny (in a hollow, mirthless kind of way) to see to what extent one of their own will go to defend the indefensible.

the only reason that this was investigated further and the truth uncovered is because her parents had the resources and tenacity to keep pushing. How many don't? Sad

KMoKMo · 30/08/2017 20:00

If I was your duty solicitor, I'd beg you to stop

There's really not much chance of you being any sort of solicitor so I'm not overly concerned to be honest....

Utter genius RodHull. Thanks for adding such comedy to a dull and dreary evening Grin

Rodhullstvaerial · 30/08/2017 20:02

Datun, I know what she's asking and I'm more than happy to answer. Surely you'd agree that there's got to be a bit of give and take? I've answered loads of her posts. She seems to be ignoring mine to her, and well that's a little bit rude. So I'll wait first

Datun · 30/08/2017 20:02

Comedy? Women who have been the victims of domestic abuse, rape and sexual assault trying to find out where the flaws and mishandling of a case went wrong?

Fucking comedy??,

MadgeMidgerson · 30/08/2017 20:03

please recall that your 'comedy' on a dreary evening is happening in the context of a thread about domestic violence, where a woman's murder was not competently investigated and where it took incredible amounts of tenacity on the part of her parents to finally bring her killer to justice

Ha fucking ha indeed Angry

Datun · 30/08/2017 20:05

Surely you'd agree that there's got to be a bit of give and take? I've answered loads of her posts

rod. You are answering these posts, whilst mired in process.

Women here have told you about their experiences, about the lack of confidence in the police force. This case highlights their every suffering.

KMoKMo · 30/08/2017 20:06

Elendon I haven't read the article yet (your comments have been too amusing) but yes he was eventually arrested for murder.

This would have been once a further PM had been done establishing the true cause of death. And once investigators had all their ducks in a row for questioning.

The officer who said it wouldn't be 'advantageous' to arrest at that particular point in time is likely to have said it because the evidence wasn't fully gathered.

For example a case where a victim believes her partner has set up social media accounts in her name. Before questioning him regarding this (by arrest or voluntarily) we are likely to conduct telecoms enquiries to see if we can locate the IP address for where the profiles were created so we have some evidence to put to the suspect. Otherwise what are we asking him? How are we linking him to the offence? Your ex said you did it. Did you? No ok well I haven't got anything else to ask!
Once we have IP addresses and locations where the accounts were set up we can then challenge. It was set up at your home adddess. Who else has access to the address? When? How? Do they have a key? Etc etc

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