Bloody hell - women only carriages AGAIN

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41020179

And what would happen when a woman gets assaulted in a mixed carriage - why didn't you use the "ladies" carriage? The transport equivalent of wearing a short skirt and asking for it.

Let's restrict women rather than demand men act like decent human beings.

F off Labour MP

Oh, just make half of the carriages just for men and have done with it.

I think I've given up thinking that men are able to control themselves, given how many men are desperately trying to show everyone they don't think other men are.

I'll take my cue from those men from now on I think.

The guards need better back up too.

I spent 45 minutes on a train last week, waiting for BTP to take someone off for being aggressive and abusive towards the train staff. It was only supposed to be 5 minutes.

Completely pointless.

Doesn't address the issue.

And how anyone can suggest it, and at exactly the same time promote a law that means anyone can identify as female, is beyond me.

More guards is a good idea. But we'd have to have teams of one female guard and one male guard, just to be on the safe side

I believe Toronto has emergency bars that you press and they stop and arrest the culprits.

I don't think becoming more like Iran is the answer to men harassing women.

The women's only carriage thing makes me furious for all the reasons you've all said already. And it's just another way to blame women - if we weren't seen in public, then of course, we couldn't be hurt. FFS. That's the argument men in the middle east make and I thought we were finally getting past it.

It's such rubbish. it's also paternalistic bs. "Oh look, some little women are scared and get hurt so let's put them in this little out of the way place. Aren't we lovely kind and caring men?"

Fuck off is what I say. Thank god for the Stella Creasys and Jess Philipps of the world to say it out load when they aren't being accused of being hysterical women

A German train operator introduced these last year due to the increase in sexual assaults on public transport

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/28/german-rail-operator-launches-women-only-train-carriages-followi/

And it seems Corbyn proposed this back in 2015

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/26/women-only-train-carriages-around-the-world-jeremy-corbyn

Note the other countries listed in the article where these exist

In case anyone is wondering the picture I posted is a real Iranian government poster about how men shouldn't go in the women's only carriages. I actually feel a bit sorry for the poor man in the picture he's obviously got lost on his way home from a fathers day card.
Below is the blog post I saw it. Its actually rather interesting.
www.mywanderlust.pl/solo-female-travel-in-iran/

Ridiculous idea. So happy to see my former local MP Jess Phillips speak out about it.

Like pp's mentioned this will only lead to more victim blaming if a woman dares to sit in a 'normal' carriage and ends up getting assaulted.

We need to make it clear that the men that do this are the ones at fault. Not the woman for simply existing in the first place.

Well, let's gladly receive our secular burka-style garments, get chaperones and have done. That would seem to be the logical end result of not placing the responsibility where it belongs.

SomethingOnce

No, no, no. We must just simply not go out. We must stay in the house, catering to the whims of men everywhere, and know our place.

After all, it's the only way to stay safe. We are completely responsible for the decisions of men.

Apologies in advance...

But why is women's carriage different to a women's toilet or swimming session etc?

I know that it is different, but aren't I can't figure out how to articulate why?

A train carriage is a public space. We arent expecting to do anything private in there such as take our clothes off.

FFS. Thoroughly depressing. Don't teach your daughter to sit out of sight on a train, teach your son not to grope.

A train carriage is a public space

But so is a swimming pool... I can see that it is a ridiculous idea, but Im trying to find a way to explain it to hard of thinking people like me

In a female only session in a pool you have access to the whole pool and the gym and the sauna etc

A more relevant comparison would he all women restricted to one lane only

Despite having paid the same fair as men who have access to all the rest

So with the train carriage thing would it be ok if an equal number of carriages were male only /female only? Is the issue that only one carriage was going to be female other?

Oh fuck that shit.

The train, public transport is a means to get to work. To take part in life. A means, indeed often the only means, to contribute and participate. To travel and live.

You can't just take the word space, and arbitrarily assign meaning and effect to it. Each space is different.

I'm sure women many might thoroughly enjoy a woman only carriage. That's not the point. The point is it's designed to stop men from attacking them. In public. On their way to work.

Having a woman only swimming session is something you opt into. Creating a woman only carriage means you are opting out. Of normal, everyday life, because of the threat to your safety.

There is no reason for men and women to be segregated on a train as they both use the train for the same thing in the same way and wear clothes to do so as their is no need for privacy. the only reason is protection from male violence.

The toilet thing is different because men use urinals and don't have periods and both sexes prefer privacy around their genitals.

The women's only swimming seems to be about religious observances around here. Not sure if that's the same everywhere.

Glosswitch on women only train carriages
www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2017/08/women-only-train-carriages-are-just-way-ensuring-more-spaces-are-male

There are separate swim sessions for groups such as women only groups, religious groups, and people with disabilities and disfigurements. Without them, many of those people would not be able to participate in swimming.

Ok, so difference is I suppose that other sex segregated areas are about dignity (hospitals / toilets / changing rooms etc) or enabling (women's only swimming sessions, women's refuges) and some may be about shared experience (women only groups) and I guess that they are asked for and campaigned for by women.

The train thing has been suggested by a man and is also effectively restricting women. It's not about dignity, or enabling women to travel, or a a shared experience, it's about segregating them form potentially abusive males.

The first paragraph are all broadly positive response, the latter is a negative?

The train equivalent to a women only toilet would be to run a train that was exclusively for women - no men on it at all.

I'm fairly certain that male commuters would be upset if they were banned from getting on every other train that ran during rush hour.

I agree that it is far, far more preferable to address male violence, but am glad that Corbyn is raising all women carriages as an issue because it makes people realise that a significant number of men behave so appallingly on trains that this is even being considered.

Until men stop being a fucking pest to women, women will need all female facilities, whether it's gyms, swimming sessions or trains.