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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

An excellent article on the problems inherent in gender self-identity and a petition to have the author silenced and reprimanded

56 replies

Seeingadistance · 11/08/2017 14:22

I came across both this article by Kiri Trunks and the petition to silence her this morning on the Gender Critical subReddit and thought it was worth sharing both here.

I've flagged the petition and objected to it on the grounds that it misrepresents the content of the article and is an attempt to silence debate, and damage the author professionally and personally.

www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-c509-Sex-matters#.WY2uMa2ZNsM
you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/remove-kiri-tunks-as-vice-president-of-the-nut

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AssignedMentalAtBirth · 11/08/2017 14:28

Follow her on twitter and show support
twitter.com/kiritunks

glenthebattleostrich · 11/08/2017 14:29

Thanks. I've reported the petition too, for mis representing the article and for misgendering (hate the term cis). If trans people get to determine how they are described then so do I.

Seeingadistance · 11/08/2017 14:31

Thanks for the link.

I've not used twitter up until now, but it seems to be a good way of being involved, so I'll take a deep breath and sign up!

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Seeingadistance · 11/08/2017 14:32

The petition proves a number of the points made in the article.

These fuckers have no sense of irony!

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AssignedMentalAtBirth · 11/08/2017 14:36

Seeing
Don't sign up using your real name. Create a new email with no personal details (DOB etc) and use that. Twitter can be brutal

Seeingadistance · 11/08/2017 14:44

Thanks for the tips, Assigned.

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OlennasWimple · 11/08/2017 14:56

Must be tough for her in the NUT at the moment, given the statement they have just issued on self-ID

VestalVirgin · 11/08/2017 14:57

The petition proves a number of the points made in the article.

The comments on any given article about feminism prove the need for feminism.

A good old tradition.

rogueantimatter · 11/08/2017 15:08

Wow. This is shocking. Very glad you have posted about this. I have tweeted to Kiri Tunks and emailed 38 Degrees.

rogueantimatter · 11/08/2017 15:10

Very disappointed in NUT. They are supposed to be educators.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 11/08/2017 15:41

The amount of men on Twitter being utterly vile about her...

All of them are utterly ignorant of the threat to women's rights that self id poses. All of them are lefty men. Utter wankers.

OnlyHereForTheFeminists · 11/08/2017 22:41

I read the article and flagged the petition. I pointed out that the article isn't at all transphobic or abusive and that the petition seems more like a personal attack on the writer.

Gingernaut · 11/08/2017 22:56

The petition is so WTF, I can't believe it was written by adults.

"The people who she dismisses are scientists, biologists who are not talking theoretically, but about the fact that our beliefs about gender and it's biological basis are not supported by the facts"

Jesus.

New Scientist article from 2015 which proves that statement wrong for a start.

Petition flagged. Transgenderism is not based on scientific facts and is an attempt to shut down debate.

I'm not on Twitter.

Thank God.....

Terfing · 11/08/2017 22:56

I am getting so sick of this shit! Angry

Where the fudge did the NUT teachers who signed that open letter go to university? They seem to have no critical thinking skills!

Daffodil397 · 11/08/2017 22:57

Also read article and flagged the petition. It is not right to suppress reasonable debate on this issue from a feminist viewpoint.

WhereAreWeNow · 13/08/2017 20:54

I've flagged too. I thought it was a good article and really important to hear teachers' voices on this issue. The shutting down of debate (and women's voices) is totally out of control. I'm really disappointed that 38 Degrees would host a witch hunt type petition like that Angry

MacaroonMama · 13/08/2017 21:25

I have flagged this too. Really glad someone so high up in the NUT is aware of this. I just think so many good/liberal women hear 'trans rights' and think hurray - as we have done (rightly) with gay rights, and as much, ideally, I would. They are not being given the facts that, with this Bill, trans rights mean the erosion of women's rights. Hope the stupid petition is pulled. I cannot STAND the screeching of 'transphobe! TERF!' every time anyone wants to discuss the subject. It is dangerous.

MacaroonMama · 13/08/2017 21:27

That doesn't make sense! Sorry, should have previewed. I meant that I would like to be pro-trans rights but they seem to disallow women's rights, and in a violent, misogynist and horribly dystopian way.

AuntyElle · 13/08/2017 21:33

Sorry, how do you 'flag' the petition?

MacaroonMama · 13/08/2017 21:39

AuntyElle If you scroll down through the whole petition, there is a small flag picture just above people's reasons for signing, and it says 'Flag this petition'. It is very small and faint!

MacaroonMama · 13/08/2017 21:40

Here, isn't it tiny?

An excellent article on the problems inherent in gender self-identity and a petition to have the author silenced and reprimanded
IamNotDarling · 13/08/2017 21:52

Won't somebody think of the children?

Yes, we bloody well are! Fucking idiots. I've reported the petition for the misogynistic bullshit it is.

QuarksandLeptons · 13/08/2017 22:00

Thanks and petition signed. May even face the bleakness and brutality of twitter again for the run up to the consultation period for the Gender Recognition bill. Found it so depressing I had to log out a few months ago

QuarksandLeptons · 13/08/2017 22:01

That should have said petition flagged not signed Blush

AuntyElle · 13/08/2017 22:07

Thank you, MacaroonMama. had managed to miss that.
I totally agree with you on this.