Is there a red pill movie thread here?

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I can't seem to find it

Chat?

Other boards you might put it on...

film, politics, in the news, chat.

We have a film topic as well dont we

Or telly addicts

Cross post

It was made by a feminist and features the feminist that opened the first refuge in the UK. Who was ousted from the organisation by a feminist because she wanted to open a male refuge.

Was that the same feminist who said that a woman self harming and a man hitting someone were the same thing and both equally as violent as each other? Because if so, I think that may have had more to do with her being ousted than wanting to open a male refuge.

I still think feminism is a better fit than any of those. The film is billed as a feminist film maker that sets out to document the men's right movement and questions feminists. Its main keywords are feminism and feminists.

Here’s something Elam wrote on A Voice for Men in 2010: “Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.” What excuse would any serious documentarian have for not asking Elam to explain that?

I am not sure i want to watch it...i quite like my telly and dont really want to throw something at it

Is there really an 'animated sequence of falling snowflakes'

I might need to watch it then

Okay then OP, you said...

'...it's raised some really important iissues. Can't believe it's ignored.'

What important feminist issues do you think it has raised, that you cannot believe users of the feminist board have ignored.

When on earth did anyone suggest that a film was a vehicle for anything? I sincerely hope you didn't take my clearly stated opinions about the manosphere to be about this film, because that would be ridiculous.

And yet again, for the people at the back. This board is nothing to do with gender equality, it's about feminism. It says so at the top.

And I suspect you're talking about Erin Pizzey? A woman who repeatedly tweeted out the name of a rape victim because, like most MRAs, she thinks that women consistently lie about rape. She also likes to tell people she opened the first women's shelter, which, while technically correct, wasn't the first place women had found refuge and wasn't the solo effort she would like people to think it was.

She's also completely free to open a men's shelter now, which begs the question of why she hasn't done that, if she thinks it's so important she needs to attack women about it.

Erin Pizzey is the MRA poster girl.

SylviaPoe
I think this is the most relevant place for a thread like this to be

Xenophile
No, the film was funded on kickstarter by anonymous people, there was no way for them to have any input

No, the film was funded on kickstarter by anonymous people, there was no way for them to have any input

Not really - there's community and comment tabs, you can view page after page of contributors (although you can't see how much they contributed) - you can't donate anonymously, although you can pick your username (people don't tend to be as creative as here)

TBH feels a bit to me like you fancied coming in here to wind up the feminists - there's plenty of places it could go that are relevant.

I mean, there's whole subs on reddit dedicated to MRA/red pill stuff if that's what you want to discuss.

Chocolate, yes, I know you do. You've said several times and explained why.

...and I'm back in the room.

do you have any sources that state who all the donations were from and the input they had into it?

Well, other than that Cassie Jaye herself said that most of the funding came from a Breitbart appeal/MRA/Alt-right sources...?

And that one of them started to stalk her...and she says herself that they're "pretty terrifying".

Mike Cernovitch, who pledged $10,000 dollars to the film, says pretty explicitly: "If you think Cassie Jaye is going to say whatever she wants about “our issues,” forget it" (from his own website here)

I don't think any of this would make the handbook of Investigative Documentary Making.

Thanks Pooch.

ChocChocPorridge
I came here because the tread was on active and I was aware there was a lot of misinformation being spread by people who hadn't actually seen the film. Cassie has said in interviews, which you can find on youtube, that she maintained full creative control and refused a film grant in order to ensure that, besides a lot of the film was recorded before she went to kickstarter

She didn't question them a lot, she asked some basic questions but for the most part just let them speak.

Jaye did not say that. From the Wikipedia entry.

Jaye has said that the suggestion the film was funded by MRAs (men's rights activists) is "a common lie that keeps spreading."[2] One of the largest pledges to the film was by Mike Cernovich, who pledged $10,000 to the Kickstarter project. In a blog post he stated he was "not funding The Red Pill to help MRAs" but that the film will "help all men, and all women, and all children."[5] Jaye stated that "our five highest backers ... are neither MRA nor feminist. I would say three out of five of them didn't even know about the men's rights movement, but wanted to defend free speech,"[5] and that the film's backers and producers would have no influence or control of the film.[2][5]

Ah, sorry, yes, I've got you and the OP muddled.

I've watched interviews with her. I wouldn't put her on the same level as Louis Theroux when it comes to interviewing people with crazy/abhorrent/unusual view points.

I thought the Red Pill was a common reference in feminism to when you can't unsee the sexism and misogyny in the world? So this film has misappropriated that expression? .

Funny how "defending free speech" always seems to refer to men being able to maintain male privilege.

Ok, so let's say the film and its maker are independent and that people like Milo Y didn't have any creative input. What issues does it raise that are important for feminists to discuss?

Also, as an aside, what rights do you think men in the UK do not have?

scallops it's the title of a men's rights reddit. Where the same old tired tropes are bashed out by men who truly hate women.

Ahh. So we've taken the Blue Pill then

Iirc, only men can take the blue pill anyway. Women don't see the truth due their natural solipsism.

Yes, well, Jaye has said a lot of stuff that turns out to be...shall we say..less than accurate? like claiming to have won a prize at Cannes (she has not won a prize at Cannes).

She also said at the outset of filmaking that she wouldn't accept donations from organisations with any biased agendas - I think that self evidently didn't happen.

This from an interview she did:

"Jaye explained in her Kickstarter plea video that she refused to accept funding from ideologically-driven organizations in order to keep the film “non-partisan”—but now her documentary on men’s rights activists is, as she puts it, “kind of being funded by men’s rights advocates"

link here