Is there a red pill movie thread here?

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I can't seem to find it

Xenophile wrote - "The easiest thing for men to do would be to fight the draft."

Many MRA's seem to live in some kind of 1950s time warp. Perhaps that is why they might not have heard that the US Government abolished their military draft 44 years ago?

(The Selective Service System, that has affected men in the USA since the draft was abolished there, is not any form of military conscription; it is registration of personal details on a database that could be used if a draft were to be reintroduced in the future).

I will never forget that film of a busy business street in China and a girl baby (I don't know if she was dead or alive) in the gutter, and businessmen and women just stepping over her like she was a discarded piece of litter.

I'm so very admiring of women who campaign against this sort of thing and are at the coalface of it all.

Today 15:52 ChocolateFuzz

I think everyone should watch it for themselves

Maybe men should watch it and sort their shit out. I don't know why feminists should do it.

vesuvia thanks for clarifying that point, that was of course what I meant. When men register to vote, they also have to have their details on the database, but no one has been drafted since Vietnam.

Chocolate, which bits are biased?

Is it about feminism though, Chocolate? Why were they interviewing feminists about men's issues? Seems a little counter intuitive.

Xenophile
I have seen a lot of articles calling it a sexist, woman hating movie, it's not, it's a completely middle of the road set of interviews with a few personal notes from the director.

AssassinatedBeauty
The director brings up points the MRA's made to feminists and asks them for their opinion

Does that include Paul Elam?

I still don't see the relevance of asking feminists about men's issues, as if it's feminism that has caused any of the issues or feminism's job to sort it out.

I was thinking about the workplace fatalities. I bet many involve the construction industry. I also bet the highest rate is in places like Saudi, Kuwait, Oman etc. I also bet the lowest rates will be in countries like the UK , Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc.

Why that should be addressed by feminists I don't know

I was pretty sure we'd had a thread about this previously...here it is

I can't imagine how the filmaker, having been funded by MRAs, managed to make a film sympathetic to MRAs. What are the chances, eh?

"not funding something" does not equal "silencing" - that telegraph article is pretty disingenuous. Why would feminists finance a film that showcases people like Paul Elam, saying that women lie about being raped? Saying "this looks like heinous shit made by an MRA shill" isn't silencing - it's fair comment.

Chocolate.

Ah, so no biased bits on here, which is what you implied. And nothing untrue in the articles. It IS a pile of sexist, woman hating horseshit according to people who's opinions I value who have seen it.

Chocolate, I never said it shouldn't be here.

The OP has said the film is about a range of men's rights issues and listed them. The film is not primarily about feminism.

Feminists get interviewed and talk about things that have nothing to do with feminism all the time.

So the film could be discussed anywhere on MN. Why should the OP expect to find it on this board and then say she can't find it?

Why should the OP expect to find it on this board and then say she can't find it?

I wonder

Pretty odd comment, at any rate. Next stop, The Litter Tray, and ask them what they've got against dogs?

'The director brings up points the MRA's made to feminists and asks them for their opinion.'

Yes, this is what I don't get. The vast majority of issues impacting on men have nothing whatsoever to do with feminism.

The vast majority of issues impacting on men have nothing whatsoever to do with feminism.

Obviously, but the manosphere likes to pretend that all men's problems are because the world is feminised and that women should sort all those problems out for them, despite women having very little power to do so. It's fascinating really. It means they never ever have to do a damned thing, can keep blaming women for all their shortcomings and keep making money out of the poor schmucks who subsidise their lifestyles by donating to endless "fighting funds".

AssassinatedBeauty
I'm not sure what you're asking, the feminists in the movie are making their case as to why the men's rights movement shouldn't exist.

PoochSmooch
It was funded on kickstarter by all kinds of people and none of them had any say in how the movie was made.

Xenophile
Well yes, there is one post here I take particular issue with but that wasn't my point. Watch the movie for yourself, it's not hard to find then you won't have to go off the opinion of anyone else.

SylviaPoe
I guess she put it here because it has been very controversial with feminists. The feminists in the movie believe the men's rights movement shouldn't exist and they're arguing their case to that end.

ChocolateFuzz, that's now what the OP said. Read the OP's actual description.

And I didn't ask why the OP put this thread here, I asked why the OP expected there to be a thread about it already here when by the OP's own description the film is not about feminism.

I understand why you think this film is a feminist topic, but I was asking the OP based on what the OP had to say about the film.

I don't think I know any feminists who think the men's rights movement should end. Most of us just know that it's nothing to do with trying to solve the undeniable problems that men have because of toxic masculinity and class based prejudice, it's run as a vehicle for a group of violent and abusive men to showcase their hatred of women.

The men's groups I know of who are actually doing stuff to combat some of those problems will have nothing to do with the manosphere for that reason.

The kickstarter was funded by manosphere fans, and they had enormous input into how the film was edited and the subject matter.

On a totally separate note, the actual red pillers are annoyed that this film is called the Red Pill, because they don't think the topics covered in the film have anything to do with the Red Pill!

I have no time for the Red Pill ideas, but I thought it was interesting that these quite disparate ideologies were being conflated.

It was funded on kickstarter by all kinds of people and none of them had any say in how the movie was made.

Mmm, not sure that's quite true. I have waded around in some of the shallower puddles of the manosphere, and I know that Paul Elam (for example), certainly thinks that funding this movie was a major blow for MRA against a "biased" mainstream media, as did Milo Y (Milo has an associate producer credit on the film...) Elam tweeted as part of the funding campaign "help fund red pill movie because #fuckfeminists". Pledge drives were held on Reddit in the Men's Rights and the Red Pill sub reds. Who else would have funded it and for what reason?

Cassie Jaye then started cosying up to white supremacists to publicise the film, appearing on Matt Forney's podcast.

Got to pop out for a moment, back later with more...

The film is about gender equality, what other board would I expect to see it on?

Xenophile - do you have any sources that state who all the donations were from and the input they had into it?

it's run as a vehicle for a group of violent and abusive men to showcase their hatred of women

Really? Again any sources for this? How is a film run by anyone? It was made by a feminist and features the feminist that opened the first refuge in the UK. Who was ousted from the organisation by a feminist because she wanted to open a male refuge. Why not watch something before speaking mistruths on it?

This isn't a board about gender equality. It's a feminism board!

What sylvia said

Again

As Xenophile said, the feminists I speak to think that MRAs are laughable.

I feel that they are free to spend their time as they wish - albeit I'd prefer that they didn't spend it spreading lies and whining.

I've only seen the trailers, and didn't see any feminists saying Mens rights shouldn't exist - I did see them suggesting that some of these men need to grow up.

Xenophiles last point on her rebuttal needs repeating here:

And despite all of this, getting pregnant in the US is still over four times more dangerous than going to work in the US

You can list combat deaths (ignoring civilian deaths which are roughly equal), murders (overwhelmingly committed by men) - but let us never forget that women risk their lives so those men can exist to spout their misleading stats, and there's no alternative to that.

Fair enough it's not a perfect fit, but is there a more appropriate board?