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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It's always about the toys...

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Barcoo2 · 11/05/2017 01:54

Every single article I've read about a child being transed, whether it's in the Daily Mail or a more reputable source, or a mummy blog or whatever, has mentioned that they preferred 'girly' toys or rejected 'girly' toys. Girly toys are always dolls and princesses. Boyish toys are not mentioned as distinctly. Usually girls who want to be boys are framed in terms of their rejection of the girly toys.

So is it all about the toys? My three year old has made enough throw away comments ('I want to be a boy knight', sticking a macaroni in her labia and boasting about a willy) and has had enough interests in pirates, dinosaurs etc for me to trans her if I was so inclined.

Does anyone have any articles or links that don't mention toys AT ALL? I'd really appreciate it if you had any...I'm just finding the whole thing so clear cut in that EVERY CASE I've read is about a rejection of social constructions of gender, guided by the parents, rather than an innate femininity that represents what real females feel or whatever.

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Datun · 13/05/2017 15:26

BBCNewsRave

I think I get it. People always been discriminated against for one reason or another. As people became more aware, suddenly the very concept of discrimination changed. Some people viewed being discriminated against as something to aspire to. Hence the Oppression Olympics.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, all the people who were discriminated against, still are.

BBCNewsRave · 13/05/2017 17:24

Yes, Datun, that's it. Plus, some of the people who are very outspoken about certain causes seem to employ other forms of discrimination, as if it's all ok for the glorious cause. We see it in the trans debate, where women are dismissed (as ever), but also things like educated (white) anti-racism campaigners mocking others because they can't spell, rather than attacking the racism itself. If I were to put it into a metaphor (?), it's like if they came across someone needing help, they'd have to consult a chart to decide whether the person was in a selected oppressed group before helping them (or not). Rather than just giving a shit about the person.

coleridge · 13/05/2017 17:44

I gravitated towards sciency toys (supposedly for boys...bore off!) as a child, but I liked dolls too and I loved to read (supposedly more girly). Grew up to be a biomedical scientist who usually wears dresses and has long hair. Also a massive nerd with mostly 'masculine' hobbies. I'm sure the trans cult would be quick to label me as agender or non-binary or bigender. They don't seem to believe that someone can have interests, an individual personality, and things that they gravitate towards that don't define them as a human being. We have our biology, and then we are individuals with different outlooks and likes and dislikes. Toys should not be gendered. Activities and hobbies should not be gendered. Professions should not be gendered. It's ridiculous. Liking something 'meant for' the other sex does not mean you are that sex.

Datun · 14/05/2017 08:00

BBCNewsRave

Yeah, I find it a massive wind up and a deliberate attempt to obfuscate.

So first of all your discrimination credentials must be checked. Which results in a race to the bottom to prove you're worth it.

But what I also see happening (and you might have a different experience than this), is your credentials to care, must also be checked.

The people with the most power to make a difference, ie those with privilege, are automatically excluded from talking on the basis of that privilege.

The result is people being discriminated against can't talk about it because someone will always be found who has it worse.

And those who want to help aren't allowed because they live in ivory towers and don't get an opinion. And in this alternative fact world, even those who do come from a position of being right at the discriminatory coalface, as it were, will be found wanting.

The discriminated against can't talk, and you can't help unless you are also discriminated against.

And as it's just a question of how many points you can accrue, all the effort is spent doing that.

This is how it appears online anyway. I fervently hope that it's not actually reflected in real life? That support for minorities in the form of donations, charities, campaigning and lobbying is still actually happening at the same level.

BeyondStrongAndStable · 14/05/2017 12:14

"first of all your discrimination credentials must be checked. Which results in a race to the bottom to prove you're worth it"

YES!!

BlueSunGreenMoon · 14/05/2017 17:23

From what I've read about Enid Blyton's own life I get the impression she resented her mother who did nothing but housework (in Enid's eyes) and expected Enid to do it too, while her brothers were afforded much more freedom. She wrote several girl characters who were George-like. Many of her girl characters who were not considered to be tomboys back when she wrote them, also are far more 'tomboyish' compared to today's standards. I do wonder what she would have made of the current gender movement.

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