This is such a bullshit topic

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I don't care if I'm banned but do you remember Shoop from Salt N' Pepa and What a Man by Vogue in the 90's? They objectified men! No one seems to remember that, though.

I feel like it's selective; you're either this type of feminist or not.

Ooh stick you
Your mama too
And your daddy

See? Contempt for everyone equally regardless of their sex from Daphne and Celeste. They were way ahead of their time in terms of gender equality.

How about No Scrubs from TLC?

A nice little ditty about women having high standards with respect to romantic relationships (paraphrasing here).

You obviously dont understand what objectifying means. It does not mean finding someone sexual atractive
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In the 1990s a lot of music of black origin focused on how 'gangsta', 'pimpin', 'bitches' etc. For black women (and probably some white) there was a definite trend towards 'bad boys'. So the fact that this song celebrates men who treat their mothers nicely and are good dads is interesting lyrical content for the era.

I think you should google female rappers from the 90s and their lyrics. It's the opposite of what you are saying. This song was not a one off. Most where pro women being strong. What it's is to be a woman. Check queen Latifa then comeback and comment.

There is divide in the 90s too. I just don't feel like going into this right now. But your comment is challengeable.

Well, the Diet Coke ad objectifies men but I don't know why that means that feminism is bullshit. Or what you mean by being either this type of feminist or not? In the 90s, a popular interpretation of feminism was the Spice Girls approach of 'girl power' and the 'ladette' thing, both of which seemed to suggest that women should behave in 'masculine' ways in order to achieve parity - part of that was the objectification of men. It never really got to the extent of male objectification of women though. I found a lot of it irritating in the 90s but I never considered it to undermine feminism.

Quencher, I am quite aware of black female rappers in the 90s but I would argue that they weren't the most prevailing group when it comes to radio play etc.

But even seeing these songs as part of a larger movement does not affect the current status of feminism as a movement as feminism is far bigger than one era of popular music. (Same as my original point but a bit more all encompassing)

Yes, I feel like we've somehow lost the power to stand up and say, you know what, I'm with my man 'cause he's sexy, and he's strong in his values. It was a short but distinctive movement in the 90's with these songs, I think.

Umm, you're packed and you're stacked 'specially in the back
Brother, wanna thank your mother for a butt like that (thanks, Mom)
Can I get some fries with that shake-shake boobie?
If looks could kill you would be an uzi
You're a shotgun, bang! What's up with that thang?
I wanna know how does it hang?
Straight up, wait up, hold up, Mr. Lover
Like Prince said you're a sexy mutha well-a
I like 'em real wild, b-boy style by the mile
Smooth black skin with a smile
Bright as the sun, I wanna have some fun
Come and give me some of that yum-yum
Chocolate chip, honey dip, can I get a scoop?
Baby, take a ride in my coupe, you make me wanna

Thanks to that post HmmOkay I put that song on briefly. I tried to turn the volume down hurriedly but if anyone heard my credibility in this household is gone.

It's Raining Men was my own watershed.

Ah, pissed. Why didn't you say?

I'm just saying it seems like we lost an era where this was acceptable. We skipped over it and now focused on lyrics from Ed Sheeren where we get drunk and reminisce about losing our virginity whilst drunk or Adele where we can't seem to move past our ex. Hello? Remember me? Please remember me. IYKWIM.

Super pissed.

Have you listened to destiny's child "soldier" that's like 2004.

The most recent one that was similar to what you are referring is sung by that simon cowel group. Not little mix.

I am quite aware of black female rappers in the 90s but I would argue that they weren't the most prevailing group when it comes to radio play etc. Tlc destiny's child and xscape? Xscape probably not as much but they wrote "no scrubs" and "bills bills bill (mainly Kandi Burrus and tiny). This me not putting much thought into the 90s artists.

With respect to the OP's user name, the actress in The Bridge who plays Saga Noren talks about Saga being a feminist icon. www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-11-16/id-rather-be-a-feminist-icon-than-a-sex-symbol-says-the-bridge-star-sofia-helin

Wonder what Saga thinks about Daphne and Celeste? I reckon she'd give me one of those looks that she reserves for her latest sexual partner in the series.

Wow. The nineties were my time. Those tunes were my jam.

I don't understand what you're on about op but thanks, there will be much you tubing in the morning!!

This is a shout out to my ex
Heard he in love with some other chick
Yeah yeah, that hurt me, I'll admit
Forget that boy, I'm over it
I hope she gettin' better sex
Hope she ain't fakin' it like I did, babe
Took four long years to call it quits
Forget that boy, I'm over it

Can't we see the distinction here?

Little Mix had to fake an orgasm to please this guy.

Also - did you have to look up those lyrics or did you just remember yhem? Because that would be super impressive.

I've never heard the songs in the original post but Ed Sheeren and Adele are mind numbingly boring, particularly the former. In my opinion.

Saga Noren is magnificent. So is Laure from Spiral.

I'm so confused by this thread I feel like I'm drunk now.

I'm just saying we're going backwards.

Bills bills bills came out in 1999 and was DC's breakout song so I wouldn't really include them as being indicative of UK (or US) listening habits in the 1990s.

TLC had a large following in the Uk and received radio play as did En Vogue. As for black female actual rappers in the 1990s on commercial UK radio... you'd maybe hear Missy Elliot if you were lucky.

British bands of the 90's like Elastica, Alisha's Attic, Portishead, Cardigans, Cranberries, Garbage could all be considered as fairly feminist offerings as well.

I loved Salt n Peppa and TLC.

But there are plenty of women producing great music. Not just the warblefest that is Adele.

Quite. Many fantastic women making music at the moment. My favourite artists of the moment are all women.

Fife harmony. Work from home. Isn't that the sort of song you are trying to talk about but worse. The song came up before some where on Mn.

Salt n Pepa were eighties rappers.

Are they getting radio play though IAmAmy? I listen to a lot of female artists (and male artists who are very gender-positive) but I never hear them on television or radio. I think the last female fronted band that I can think of that got a lot of airplay were the YeahYeahYeahs.

The Now Lets Party Cds (you know which ones I mean) that DD (7) has amassed are pure crap :p I feel like the offering on these used to be a lot more varied.

I also like Laure (only seen the one series though). I also like Sarah Lund from The Killing. They are like proper characters, only women. Who'd have thought?

Back to the issue at hand, though, what do we think of Cleopatra - comin' atcha?