Feminism in prehistoric times / primitive culture

[Joneser]

Hi. Is it possible in theory that any kind of feminist movement could conceivably have existed in prehistoric times or in any primitive culture? I don't mean matriarchal societies, I mean a feminist movement.

On that topic, two words: Woody Allen.

The older and plainer he got, the younger and hotter the women starring opposite him got. Total power trip.

I always quite liked Ross, and Chandler. The one I wouldn't have gone near was Joey, the archetypal ladies man. Did nothing for me at all.

Yes!!! Woody fucking Allen. He did the same older guy very young woman thing in a film with Joaquin Phoenix recently. I couldn't be srsed to watch the whole thing.

Maybe the problem is that for these rich Hollywood types this is their reality. But in the real world it just doesn't go down like that.

Part of the problem in sitcoms is that the men are often the "funny" ones - zany, stupid, always getting into hilarious scrapes whilst the women are often the "straight guy" - more intelligent than the man, but there to roll their eyes at the man's antics while looking pretty. I know that certain MRA types interpret this as being misandric, but actually in a comedy the good roles are the funny ones. The male roles must be much more fun to play than the female roles in that sort of sitcom.
It's why I love Brooklyn 99 - its not perfect, but so much better than most. The women are allowed to be funny in it, and it passes the Bechdel test.

Was it Emma Stone recently that said that they were giving her funny ad libs to the males in her films? Same actress that was in the Woody Allen Joaquin Phoenix film anyway and I did wonder.

The mras went mental over the recent ghostbuster film. I saw it s few weeks ago and thought it was good.

ROSS! Whiney, Cowardly, won't just make a decision Ross! Ugh, no, not Ross. Joey actually started to have some hidden depths by the end, and at least was open about who he was, Chandler was fine nice enough (although he needed a boot up the backside to start actually doing something), but never Ross...

I may have watched too much Friends in my youth.

The ghostbusters film was great, really funny, watched it with the whole family and they all loved it. Whiny mra's get offended when girls get to do stuff though.

Comparing humans to other primates it would appear we have evolved from conditions where women had comparitively more choice about sexual partners. It's only comparitively recently (in evolutionary terms), that's changed.

A patriarchal bias in the study of anthropology minimises women's roles within other cultures. The Taino people (one of the first Native American cultures that Colombus encountered), incorporated a great deal of female power within society. It is often inaccurate when you think of 'Chiefs' to presume one single leader to which all the resources and status would accrue. In a lot of Native American socities there were many chiefs who headed and led the tribe on individual issues. We however would tend to equate any martial chief (male) as overall leader. The few tribes who fought with the patriots in the War of independence upon visiting the early American congress asked 'where are all the women?'.

I'd also take issue with the fact women's contributions to civilisation have been to shut up and make babies. Women have been there, constantly in every field of human endeavour and contributed vast amounts, but these women have been erased at every turn, or even banned entirely. Some of it also encompasses the back breaking labour like mining. There were female miners in Victorian Britain who worked right along side the men, until there was a public outcry and it was banned for being unladylike.

Distasteful as prostitution is, examine the political role prostitues played in frontier America. A lot of them built schools, public works and contributed a vast amount to the building of communities. All rendered invisible because they were both women and prostitues.

Women miners: www.historyextra.com/feature/scandal-female-miners-19th-century-britain

Prostitution in the old west:

Very informative thanks Dervel😊

I want more choice of sexual partners like the primates. Sometimes I think there's poor pickings to choose from and its getting worse and I may as well stay single seeing as I'm not gay.

Hang on, what about such luminary prehistoric feminist writers as Gloria StoneAge-em; Charlotte Perkins Caveman; and Naomi Sabretoothed-Wolf...

(I'm sorry - am sure you lot can do better than my feeble efforts....)

Great post, Dervel.

Has anyone seen the documentary on the Celts by Terry Jones? It is an eye-opener. He produces quite a lot of evidence to show that one of the reasons why the Romans went to war with the Gaels was because they considered them uncivilised as women had equal status in Celtic society. Western owes a lot to the Roman idea that women were significantly inferior to men.

And I hate this modern anthropology that wants to compare humans to animals.

And I've always hated Woody Allen

It's all so depressing isn't it. Women's history (well human history) is so interesting but it's just not taught in schools beyond the suffragettes.

It's one of the most important battles for feminism I think because it really contributes to men's sense of entitlement because it allows boys (like the OP) to believe they've literally invented everything in history through their own innate brilliance but it gives the girls nothing to counter it with because they grow up not knowing what women did.

"For most of history Anonymous was a woman." Virginia Woolf.

I know the thread has moved on, but Ghostbusters was great especially the bit where creepy Bill Murray gets defenestrated by a ghost.

Need to rtft, but had to say... Evopsych? EVOPSYCH?!

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Why is evolutionary psychology so hilariously crap, according to people here?

I don't mean specific arguments within it, but the discipline as a whole? Is it one of those with tenuous arguments pieced together by men, from a male pov?

Evolutionary psychology is just bullshit
Just so stories and folklore, sorry I'm too lazy to explain properly😶

Also 'you can't get ought from is'
You can dyor if interested 😉

Quick google gives this...
www.google.co.uk/amp/io9.com/the-rise-of-the-evolutionary-psychology-douchebag-757550990/amp

Basically it's made up stories that conveniently match the sexist/racist/disability/homophobic bias of the writer. As if by magic. 😂

Or (quite a long read that takes evopsyc apart bit by bit)...
www.richardcarrier.info/archives/9141

Evopsych is the equivalent of that bit in time team where they find a tiny shard of pot and extrapolate that into a picture of a whole decorated jar, or when they find some earthworks and attribute it to 'ritual'

ie. We have no idea, and no actual, relevant evidence but this seems plausible to me so if I say it in an authoritative tone you'll probably believe it