Transgender child rapist moved to women's prison during his sentence

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Another day, another fucked up absurd transgender story.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/3137217/victims-fury-as-double-rapist-who-attacked-two-young-girls-is-moved-to-a-women-only-jail-after-10k-nhs-sex-change-op/

"A DOUBLE rapist who had a £10,000 NHS sex change in prison has been moved to a women’s jail.

Jessica Winfield, born Martin Ponting, attacked two girls and is now in HMP Bronzefield, Surrey."

"But prison bosses have been hit with a backlash from female inmates — with one even threatening to self-harm to get away from Winfield."

"The woman bravely visited her abuser five years ago in prison as part of a bid to get closure. But she was stunned to see the man who attacked her dressed as a woman. She said: “I had no idea what was going on. He was sat there wearing a wig and make-up. He had boobs.”"

Winfield’s brother Nigel, 49, told The Sun: “The best they could do is throw away the key. He is a menace to the public and people need to be warned about him.”

There aren't enough transpeople to warrant more than one prison. So you could be in a situation where you are 300 miles away from your family.

Women are already sent miles away from their families and nobody seems to mind that too much. An area the size of Wales (Wales) has no female facility at all.

midcenturymodern "Women are already sent miles away from their families and nobody seems to mind that too much"

Indeed, no one cares about the women and what happens to them full stop.

Prisons have different facilities, they have places to put prisoners who are in danger etc? Surely one such facility could be adapted for trans prisoners per prison, as needed.

There are more male than female prisons and prisoners and more trans women prisoners than trans men prisoners, or if there are a lot of trans men in prison we do not hear much about them.

Also the facility and the trans 'annex' or whatever could be of the same type of prison surely. So a more high security annex for trans prisons attached to a high security prison for those rapist scum violent prisoners and a nice more open prison trans annex for any fraud non-violent trans offenders. Makes sense.

A prisoner would be sent to the closest prison for them, by sex, and if they felt they were the opposite 'gender' they could be assessed (not self identify) go in the transgender unit.

Italiangreyhound From here
Women in Prison is quite a useful site for resources. No mention of transgender prisoners on their site, but there may not be any trans men in the prison population.

Like Midcenturymodern says, there are no women's prisons in Wales, 12 in England, and only 1 in Scotland (where women prisoners also share the male estate).

They are discussing this on Radio 4 PM programme..

HMP Bronzefield is one of only 2 women's prisons with accommodation for category A prisoners, ( Winfield transferred from a male high security prison). - so an answer there for Xenophile
It is privately run.

To be fair, I'm all for prisoners being allowed into the prison of the sex they identify with in many respects however in the case of a rapist - no, no, no and NO!

So male criminals who might be rapists that were never caught, or convicted (keep in mind most rapists never are) should be sent to women's prisons, because ... why, exactly? Do you think it is okay to have males in the showers with the imprisoned women just because those males were not proven to be rapists?

Convicted rapists should not be eligible for gender reassignment surgery.Surely raping women and girls with your penis demonstrates clearly that you are a man.How can it be otherwise

Being born with a penis and/or testicles demonstrates clearly that you are male, and it is the only thing that does so.
Convicted rapists should get the option to have their male genitals removed. I am all for it. If they are repentant and want to make sure they never ever rape again, let them have surgery.

They should just not be allowed to alter their faces in such a way that they would not be recognized as males (or as who they are) anymore.

No males should ever be allowed into women's spaces. It is madness.

Women are already sent miles away from their families and nobody seems to mind that too much. An area the size of Wales (Wales) has no female facility at all.

I didn't know that, so that is useful. I thought they would have a case for being sent far away.

The woman on radio 2 today said they were currently 80 transgender people in prison.

She was all for them going into the same area that protects other people who are targeted, like paedophiles. However I don't see how that will work. You will get a transwoman convicted of shoplifting put in with a violent transwoman murderer.

She said the convicted transwomen she has spoken to, are quite clearly men. Everything about them said male. Except for one who she said came across as very female. Which yet again demonstrates that some are more 'genuine' than others.

Women are already sent miles away from their families and nobody seems to mind that too much. An area the size of Wales (Wales) has no female facility at all.

I didn't know that, so that is useful. I thought they would have a case for being sent far away.

The woman on radio 2 today said they were currently 80 transgender people in prison.

She was all for them going into the same area that protects other people who are targeted, like paedophiles. However I don't see how that will work. You will get a transwoman convicted of shoplifting put in with a violent transwoman murderer.

She said the convicted transwomen she has spoken to, are quite clearly men. Everything about them said male. Except for one who she said came across as very female. Which yet again demonstrates that some are more 'genuine' than others.

Paris Lees is on the case: inews.co.uk/opinion/paris-lees-transgender-prisoners-isnt-time-talked-facts/

Apparently transgender criminals are hypothetical, except when they are actually real in which case it's only to be expected because well there are 60 million people and 1% (fake statistic but never mind) are transgender, so of course there are a few trangender paedos and rapists but not to worry the bigger issue is black transgender people being raped in prison, which Paris illustrates with some anecdotes about trans criminals being abused in prison in America, because obviously if it happens in America then we should use it to make policy & law in the UK even if it doesn't happen here.

And oh, Paris has spent six months inside (of course!) as a totally-non-violent, non-threatening robber so is much more qualified to comment than any cosy middle-class feminists. This makes Paris CONSIDERABLY BETTER THAN YOW. So STFU.

I'm no longer even shocked by these stories. I just tut and save the link with the others. How shit is that?

We urgently need to get the powers-that-be to start collecting reliable stats on violent offenders who are trans. I'm sorry if this offends the vast majority of trans people who are not violent or sex offenders but it is screamingly obvious to me that there is a group of fetishists with no morals who are hiding in plain sight under the big, lovely, inclusive trans umbrella. And their 'transgenderism' is intimately linked with their sexual violence. And society is doing everything it can to accommodate these men's fetish and give them access to potential victims.

I'm getting so pissed off with the deafening silence from the vast majority of 'decent ordinary trans people who don't agree with the transactivists'.

Why are you leaving it all to women? Why aren't you throwing your support behind the very few, very brave trans people who have spoken up? Some are burnt out already and I don't blame them.

I get it, you're scared. I'm scared too and I'm so pissed off I can't do anything under my RL name. I still do what I can and so could you if you really gave a shit.

Nobody listens to women but trans people could ask for the moon on a stick right now and everything would be done to try to provide it. If enough of you did something, even anonymously, the world would take notice.

I can't believe Paris Lees gets paid for that garbage. Newsflash Paris: violent males go to male prison. Violent females go to female prison. It's not rocket science.
What an idiot.

Coming here to have a rant as the conversation on the AIBU board is waking a few new people up to the reality going on here and I don't want to blast their eardrums.

Vestal just commented that the rates of suicide for female inmates is likely to rise if they are forced to be housed with male born people who have committed sexual violence against female born people of a fucking severity to get a life sentence ..... ffs, it's so bloody hard to get a successful prosecution for rape, if the CPS ended up with a life sentence result those rapes must have been atrocious!

This individual gets off on domination, control, intimidation, very likely female fear and distress. This is not someone who should be able to be locked up in a very small space for hours with a woman who statistically is very likely to have significant vulnerabilities and not be skilled up to manage someone with the severe personality disorder and antisocial behaviours necessary to commit this kind of crime. They will have to use an unshielded toilet, undress and sleep in full view and reach of them, with no means of escaping unwanted attention. Its appalling.

More disturbingly this individual is talking about their sexuality being the issue for other women. Their fucking sexuality . Transgender people can be of any sexuality, sexuality has nothing whatsoever to do with gender identity, so unless this person is talking openly about autogynephilia wtf are they on about?! [anger] If they are openly saying they are autogynephilic then enforcing women to permit this individual to use them to enact their personal sexual fantasies is downright criminal.

I suspect when the legislation goes through - and it's when, not if - the inevitable women victims of it will be as buried and concealed and covered up as the victims of Cologne were, to avoid a rise in the average Joe hearing about and getting inconveniently annoyed about it, and this will go on until a case occurs shocking enough that it can't escape public attention or be minimised or explained away.

IndominusRex "This woman is great. The guy is a twonk."

I thought so too. Very interesting to hear her insight.

Rumbling I am so angry. This utter shit got a £10,000 op on the NHS which means he has to be housed in a female prison, supposedly. Did no one at any point in this process think this was why he was doing it?

And having though that did they then think his rights came above the rights of the women in the prison?

He was locked up to punish him and to protect women from him. Do women in prison now not count as worthy of protection.

Does anyone know who we write to about this and how we find out their email address, please?

According to his ex-partner:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/3145822/transgender-double-rapist-had-10000-nhs-sex-change-just-to-get-noticed-says-ex-partner/

Sarah Callaghan, 44, who fell pregnant with father-of-three Ponting’s first kid when she was just 15 and he was in his 20s, branded the fiend “a danger to everyone around him”.

She said: “It seems the only person who ever gets any help is Martin – not all the people who have suffered because of him.

“How many thousands of pounds have the establishment put into Martin over the years?

“He loves to be the centre of attention, he loves being on show.

“He won’t have changed – he still wants to create a great big show. That’s probably what this is. It’s another show.”

“Don’t the women in the jail deserve a chance? Don’t the female officers there deserve a chance? “Don’t the public deserve a chance?

“He might turn round and say he wants to live as a woman now but if he comes out and he is given the option again who knows what will happen.

“He has no conception of consequences, he has no filter to say what is right and what isn’t. He is a danger to everyone around him.”

I've emailed my MP. I didn't write a long email - just a link to the BBC article and a few lines about how women's and girl's rights are being damaged. I also mentioned use of NHS funds. I'm not expecting a reply, but it all just helps raise the issue.

www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/

All this awful stuff is exactly what the liberals promised women would not happen when we raised concerns about their ideology. They called us bigots for having those concerns...

Where are they now? When are they going to admit that this is a stupid antiwomen social experiment?

We know that plenty of MTTs have raped and murdered women already but that doesn't matter to liberals.

What are the waiting for? Is it the inevitable woman being killed by one of these sick men in a prison or a refuge?

Bit behind here, but just listened to the Jeremy Vine discussion from yesterday. The female speaker, who had been an independent prison visitor for 10 years, spoke a lot of sense. Made the point that prisons are not safe places - including Bronzefield - and are failing to rehabilitate offenders. She has met a number of transwomen prisoners in her role as prison visitor and said that with only 1 exception they all came across as men.

Her proposal for a separate facility for trans prisoners to keep them safe seems eminently sensible. There are apparently 80 trans prisoners.
Sorry, didn't catch her name. Angela something.

Is it the inevitable woman being killed by one of these sick men in a prison or a refuge?

Beachcomber - I think we know only too well that a woman being killed won't be a blip on a screen. No one will care. Women are always killed. It's what we do. The man will be excused as they alwasy are (think of men who kill their families) and it will all be put down to how oppressed they are, poor dears.

Just adding my name in support of everyone's brilliantly-expressed points on this thread, just in case it ever gets shown to anyone with any influence over the whole trans debacle.... Tired of emailing my MP re the Gender Identity Bill and being ignored. Like others, I'm so fucking angry

I mentioned this type of situation to my elderly mum.

Her solution within a minute of assessing this new world situation was a separate trans unit.

I had read that the Italians are doing this?

Yeah, you're probably right YetAnotherSpartacus. The liberals are so far gone now that they no doubt will use a woman being killed by a MTT in a female prison or refuge as proof as how hard the world is for MTTs and they will demand that women make ever more concessions as the solution.

At least in the past liberals made attempts to hide their misogyny but now they don't even do that.

I'm way past peak trans now. I'm trans sickened.

This is so disturbing - who signed off on the funds for the sex change? It's a big coincidence this violent rapist suddenly decided he was a woman only once incarcerated....Totally appalled that the rights of one violent rapist are deemed more important than presumably 100s of women prisoners, many of whom may have suffered abuse. How is that fair or right, or legal? Is there no way to legally challenge it?