Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

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Everyone, regardless of race, creed or sex is entitles to the same human rights.

I have three issues with much of the current trans ideology:

1. The erosion of women's spaces, sports, achievements and quotas by biological males who wish to identify as females.

1. The transing (and therefore subjection to lifelong medical treatments, invasive surgery and potential sterilisation) of children for failure to comply with societally-imposed gender norms.

1. The erasure of lesbians, either by transing of potentially lesbian girls or by transwomen claiming to be lesbians.

The trans lobby is vocal and well funded. They have found an enormously soft target in schools/government/social care, all of whom unsurprisingly associate transgender with gay and lesbian issues and don't want to repeat the bigotry that gay and lesbian people were (and are) subjected to. Identity is not the same as sexual orientation. A person's sexual orientation treads on no-one else's rights. The same cannot be said for gender identity.

When articles, such as the recent transgender rapist one, appear in the press, the vast majority of comments show that the public is not fooled. Yet people keep quiet so as not to appear bigoted, thus allowing the movement to steamroller on at the expense of women and children.

I believe that the main target for opposition should be in our schools. Organisations such as Gires and Gendered Intelligence distribute material that promotes ideas such as pink and blue brains and that any child can choose whether to be a girl or a boy to impressionable children, backed up by teachers. Opposition to this is needed and it is not happening in any concerted way. I think a backlash has every chance of succeeding as there is huge latent support for it.

The average person in the street knows little to nothing of trans issues, but is likely to believe that a transwoman will have had his penis removed. The fact that in 2 weeks' time the Government is going to be debating replacing sex with gender identity as a protected characteristic is way off the radar of 99% of the population.

Mumsnet is brilliant in debating these issues, but we need to take it to the next level.

Thank you! :)

Just wanted to share this I saw on Twitter - lesbian event on silencing of lesbians silenced.

It's getting hard to tell which are real stories and which are spoofs as the real stories get more bizarre, but I think this is real.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/fayetteville-goddess-festival-bans-lesbian-event/

You couldn't make it up ...

Riley J Dennis explains why lesbians should have sex with men.

The trans agenda is, I believe, collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions. RJD at one point says, in discussing whether it ok for a lesbian to say she doesn't want to have sex with someone with a penis "this is centering the feelings of CIS people in a discussion about trans people". So even when women are thinking about prospective partners, they need to be putting the feeling of other people (ie trans) people ) first. Uh huh.

What I do think this video demonstrates is that once you "accept" one piece of untruth - in this case that transwoman are women - you inevitability have to accept a lot of other untruths (eg lesbians should have sex with transwoman). Alternatively you could think about these increasingly ridiculous untruths and this could cause you to reject the original premise - which I suppose is what peaktrans is.

Love the first comment which is along the line of "If genitals are so unimportant, why are lots of trans people having surgery?".

Rant alert:

So I've been trying to get in contact with my MP to arrange a time to visit a surgery and discuss my concerns in person. There are no details on the website, but it says she holds them 'regularly' including at weekends. As a young-ish female MP, I thought I had a chance of getting through to her.

2 weeks passed, no response. So yesterday I tweeted her. Had a call back today, her next surgery isn't until a Friday at the end of April, in the afternoon during working hours. The next one hasn't been scheduled but all future surgeries will be on Fridays.

I've been advised to write if I want to discuss policy. But when I wrote about the Article 50 debate it was 3 months until I received a generic letter in response.

I'm furious. They completely dismissed my wish to discuss this with her, basically said she's too busy being important to care about her constituents' opinions . So my biggest chance of making a 'real life' difference is down the drain.

science That sounds incredibly frustrating. Don't despair though. I'm increasingly thinking that actually the most important thing we can be doing is starting to talk to people in real life. I know that is easier for some people than others, especially for people in certain lines of work.

The transactivists have been so successful at getting their agenda into the mainstream, without people really noticing. I honestly think that as the contradictions and logical nonsense required to sustain the whole "transwomen are women" belief system become clearer, more people will start to question it.

People are so unaware of the basic facts - 70 percent of transwomen with functioning penis, Danielle Muscato etc.

The transactivists have been so successful at getting their agenda into the mainstream, without people really noticing. I honestly think that as the contradictions and logical nonsense required to sustain the whole "transwomen are women" belief system become clearer, more people will start to question it.

YY. Pick your battles and moments well, but it's well worth doing.

@Huffpostqueer on Twitter have started an almighty row today by saying LGBT should be inclusive to 'kink'.
All the arguments used by nasty TERFS are now being trotted out to oppose this.

Baggy

Good. Hopefully that will make a few more people see the light.

Hello, been lurking for a few months, since the trans issue hit my family, and want to thank you all for helping me keep a shred of sanity when I thought I was losing my fucking mind. I want to help too if I can. Never used twitter so I'm going to set up an account now and see if I can work it out. But mostly here to say thank you - and hopefully there are lots of others like me who don't post but who are on the same page.

www.unitetheunion.org/unite-at-work/equalities/equalitiessectors/lesbiangaybisexualandtrans/

www.unitetheunion.org/growing-our-union/communitymembership/

we can join with or without a job and organise in Unite to form policy
obv we need to have worked out our own strategy to promote our position

from there, we would get access to Labour MPs
(hopefully, sanity will soon be restored in the Labour Party)

Inclusive to kink, eh? Interesting. Wonder if the writer has any particular kink in mind?

I don't even know what kink is

HuffPostQueer did an article on adults who wear nappies. The Twitter response was...not positive as regards including kink under the queer umbrella. (Though that has happened already in some places.)

Then again HuffPostQueer followers also don't seem to like Caitlin Jenner much. (HPQ: she's doing an interview with Diane Sawyer!
Twitter: are they going to discuss the manslaughter?)

To clarify: including BDSM under the LGBTQIAetc umbrella has already happened in some places. But not all because surprise! Gay people aren't all super keen on having their sexuality conflated with fetishes!

I saw some tweets from a well known transwoman who was suggesting autogynephilia be considered a sexual orientation and not swept under the carpet.

To be strictly fair, I suspect she may have been attempting to get it out in the open as it would help women's cause re spaces. I could be wrong though.

I've been chatting about all of these threads with my lovely mummy over a cuppa.

She's recently had professional contact with someone who has BIID (see here for an explanation if you aren't familiar: www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/body-integrity-identity-disorder-the-condition-where-sufferers-want-to-be-disabled-a6680306.html)

I'm sure this has been discussed here before, sorry if I'm duplicating, but it's interesting to me that it appears that many people with BIID can accept that it's something outside of "normal" (I know I know, what is "normal" anyway), but the trans activists seem to absolutely reject any suggestion that someone who feels like they don't match the sex of their given body is in any way "disordered".

I know, this is a seriously touchy subject. Please flame away if I'm being ignorant, I'm just trying to add layers of understanding as per the linked article:

"Sufferers from BIID experience a mismatch between their physically healthy body and the body with which they identify. They identify as disabled. They often desire a specific amputation to achieve the disabled body they want: for example, the left leg below the knee. The analogy with Gender Identity Disorder is clear: someone with Gender Identity Disorder experiences a mismatch of some kind between their chromosomal and genital sex and the sex they identify with."

I agree with you Nelloo. I personally think that's what gender dysphoria is. The trans lobby has a vested interest in promoting non psychological treatment, and politically they have successfully worked to have it declassified as a mental health condition.

DD is starting to question the ideology very slightly.

She has a transboy in her form at school. They have separate boys' and girls' choirs, and the boys' choir is intended for broken voices (you can probably see the problem here). The music teacher told 'Charlie' that he didn't need any trebles or sopranos in the boys' choir, thanks. Charlie was clearly upset and protested that his voice wasn't soprano, it was falsetto.

DD is very fond of her classmate and quite happy to call them a boy, but she does know her music, and she was astonishingly indignant at the misnaming of a vocal range.

ATailofTwoKitties

Good for your DD. As if young life isn't already difficult to navigate - add this type of ridiculousness and it must be son much more confusing. If she speaks up I hope she is supported!

I don't think she'll speak up in the sense of calling this child a girl. Nor should she: the child concerned has a history of serious self-harm pre-transition and seems happier now but precariously so. DD's take was more 'it must be so hard to want to be like all the other boys when he's just really not and everyone knows it.'

We had a chat about how there was no easy answer for people who hated their own bodies so much (I thought this was fair enough given the history), because you simply can't change genetic sex. I did mention that some people come out the other side accepting their bodies are the sex that they are, and that if this happened to 'Charlie', DD and her friends should be equally accepting of her as a girl again. This time DD didn't immediately tell me I was talking rubbish because people 'just ARE trans', which is what would have happened a few months ago.

God, though, it feels like a minefield.

Oh, no, I agree entirely with what you say. I entirely mis-spoke there in my response.

I'm not sure what I meant when I said "speak up" except to say that the vocal range wasn't correct - which seems like it isn't really your DD's job anyway to do such a thing.

There's also organised groups on social media arguing that the 'p' (when it's included in lgbtipq - like fucking pie-) should be for peadsexual not pan sexual or poly sexual (which it apparattly does)

"but the trans activists seem to absolutely reject any suggestion that someone who feels like they don't match the sex of their given body is in any way "disordered". "

Then it's a lifestyle choice. That's find just don't expect any access to female only spaces.

Imagine self-identifying as disabled because you feel your body isn't right and claiming disability benefits and a disability parking permission. Ludicrous.