Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

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Everyone, regardless of race, creed or sex is entitles to the same human rights.

I have three issues with much of the current trans ideology:

1. The erosion of women's spaces, sports, achievements and quotas by biological males who wish to identify as females.

1. The transing (and therefore subjection to lifelong medical treatments, invasive surgery and potential sterilisation) of children for failure to comply with societally-imposed gender norms.

1. The erasure of lesbians, either by transing of potentially lesbian girls or by transwomen claiming to be lesbians.

The trans lobby is vocal and well funded. They have found an enormously soft target in schools/government/social care, all of whom unsurprisingly associate transgender with gay and lesbian issues and don't want to repeat the bigotry that gay and lesbian people were (and are) subjected to. Identity is not the same as sexual orientation. A person's sexual orientation treads on no-one else's rights. The same cannot be said for gender identity.

When articles, such as the recent transgender rapist one, appear in the press, the vast majority of comments show that the public is not fooled. Yet people keep quiet so as not to appear bigoted, thus allowing the movement to steamroller on at the expense of women and children.

I believe that the main target for opposition should be in our schools. Organisations such as Gires and Gendered Intelligence distribute material that promotes ideas such as pink and blue brains and that any child can choose whether to be a girl or a boy to impressionable children, backed up by teachers. Opposition to this is needed and it is not happening in any concerted way. I think a backlash has every chance of succeeding as there is huge latent support for it.

The average person in the street knows little to nothing of trans issues, but is likely to believe that a transwoman will have had his penis removed. The fact that in 2 weeks' time the Government is going to be debating replacing sex with gender identity as a protected characteristic is way off the radar of 99% of the population.

Mumsnet is brilliant in debating these issues, but we need to take it to the next level.

I am on holidays but have a massive list for when I return. Just marking my place so I can do all the things discussed. So relieved to have found you all!!!!!

So when people say gender we can say 'oh you mean sex role stereotypes', this allows the innateness and mythical definition of gender to be challenged very early on.

I am going to start doing this immediately.

Placemarking. I've written to my MP - will post if I hear anything

Genius post witchinghour!

You nailed it.

Oh no. Cool jazz and thisisouting, it was me who PMd because I remembered someone had mentioned linking up on twitter & I couldn't remember who. Just wanted to reassure you I'm not "infiltrating" or a troll. I'll PM you both my twitter handle and you can see from my tweets I'm not a TA. Sorry for the faux pas.

GinevraFanshawe

Thank goodness. But it only goes to show how twitchy everyone is. As someone said upthread, there is safety in numbers.

OverthinkingSpartacus

Can I ask you something else about Twitter. If I open an account, what about the IP address?

How do people manage to go about doxxing. Even if you have an unrecognisable email, how do they do the rest if it's not through the IP? I believe the IP links to your location, is that right?

Can I draw your attention to this news article please? globalnews.ca/news/3300518/concerns-over-transgender-client-at-okanagan-shelter/

Most ip addresses are generic for the larger providers and change every day, the general area may be noted.

The companies or security services could track them back but individuals can not. You can use a proxy should you wish to be extra safe but it shouldn't be necessary unless you have a private IP. That would be unusual but ask your internet provider.

Don't use real names. In fact I wonder what the group anonymous make about this they are normally hot on abuse of children. I work in IT just don't use any identifying facts. whatismyipaddress.com/find-me

Catching up,been reading all trans related threads and def up for joining in with online stuff, so glad this thread is here. Oleana I also would like a guide to twitter as you mentioned. I someone would be so kind to this old technophobe☺

Oh and I'm also going to write to the CPS and thanks to posters for sharing their own eloquent letters which I hope you don't mind me shamelessly using!

Also when posting on facebook you can exclude certain people from viewing your post by changing the privacy options.

Re letter to MP before next reading in the house, I am now aware that emailed templates are ignored and someone on another thread suggested writing and sending by snail mail. Im going to do that this week as I have emailed my MP four times about the bill and had no answer. I was getting disheartened until I read this thread, Am thinking if all the outraged women on these threads all wrote and all tweaked that would be a decent number.

I agree with Thelilywhite. I've contacted my MP by email before now (about a different issue) and had no response, but when I wrote to him by snail mail I got a reply.

I've written to him about this issue.

Marking my place.
Great thread.

Ive just created the Twitter thread.

Here

I'm going out for a little while soon but will catch up on this thread and check back as often as I can.

I am fully in support. Just to check though, sorry if this has been covered already, but isnt the Bill proposing to replace 'gender reassignment' with 'gender identity' - not replace 'sex' with 'gender identity'?
'A Bill to make gender identity a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 in place of gender reassignment'

I had no reply to my email so I finally got round to sending one by post. I referenced the email and just wrote a new letter. Maybe he will reply this time, though he's snp so I'm not holding out much hope. I also hand wrote it and made it more personal than just stating facts and stuff.

Pages behind, won't catch up for days but @Pepvixen thank you.

I have questions -

How does an organisation decide whose guidance to adopt? E.g. how did the CPS decide to adopt GIRES guidance and not guidance from another org? How does a school decide what LGBT resources to use for PHSE? What oversight is there?

How do we challenge guidance that is not backed by law?

Sorry to bombard you with questions, don't worry if you don't know, I'm just asking on the off-chance you do

Was directed to this post by BevGoldberg and CoolJazz.

I apologise if someone else has already posted a similar idea but I wanted to share my plan asap because I'm feeling excited - will back-read the thread afterwards to get other posters' ideas.

So - C/P from what I wrote in another thread - we need another strategy, one that fits with our lives, one that doesn't put us at risk from physical violence, so here's my proposal: we need to go underground, we need to start stealth-converting fence-sitters. Don't bother with men, though I don't want to be sexist, the issue is too abstract for them to fully understand; they don't know what it is to fear male-bodied people. And they already benefit too much from the system, and deep down most men still have a residual mistrust of hysterical, bitchy, cliquey females and especially feminists who aren't the "fun kind", to quote Dworkin.

Focus on women - young, liberal, well-meaning women, those who are drawn to support trans ideology because they want to be kind. Find them on any social network. Ask them what they think the root of female oppression is and where "gender" actually originated. Make sure you explain to them how homophobic the transing of gay children it is, how conservative an ideology it actually is. You need to talk about Iran, how it has one of the highest rates of SRS in the world, and is essentially used to disappear gays and lesbians from society - a society which will otherwise execute them. From this you can also talk about the danger of including MtF trans people in women's sports - a photo of the Iranian "women's" football team, 8 of which are biological males, should be an eye-opener here.

You need facts too - make sure they understand that for all the bleating of privileged white western TW activists about the murder of trans people, the TW killed are almost exclusively people of colour from poor backgrounds who work as prostitutes. Every single TW killed this year in the US is either black or native american. They are murdered by homophobic, misogynistic johns . No police raid of the home of a TW-murder suspect has ever uncovered a large stash of radical feminist literature. No person who killed a TW has ever cited Sheila Jeffreys as a key influence. No murderer is arrested clutching a copy of "the second sex" by Simone de Beauvoir. White TAs cynically appropriate the murders of these women in order to shut women up and gain liberal sympathies for their political cause. This practice must be stopped, and armed with knowledge we can do it.

Lupron (the puberty blocker commonly used in young trans children) is another weapon we can use. Touted constantly by the fact-resistant TAs and the sadly complicit liberal media as completely safe and reversible, it seems that for a long time the opposite has been true. Lupron has been used for many years to delay early-onset puberty in young girls or as a fertility drug for women, and there are grave concerns about its safety. It seems that severe degenerative bone loss is one of the main issues, though you can read more here www.nwhn.org/lupron-what-does-it-do-to-womens-health/ and here www.hormonesmatter.com/lupron-victims-advocate/ www.lupronvictimshub.com/ rxisk.org/lupron-a-nightmare-produced-in-abbvie/
note how all the sources cited are unconnected with transing children - the stories are all about women who have used the drug for infertility or little girls going through puberty during early childhood. In this way we can see they are not partisan - the erasure of doubts surrounding puberty blockers, and the suppression of attempts to talk about this however, is absolutely partisan.

I have had success already with the method I mentioned above. I have converted three young random women that I found via political discussions on facebook. Two were halfway there already, but one was posting videos of the odious Riley J Dennis claiming he was biologically female (???) just a few days ago. Now she is getting angry about the whole thing and cannot believe that women are being mistreated so badly.

I'm pretty sure this is how we turn the tide. Data, ideas, calm and reasonable debate... all underground, all out of the glare of the public eye, so we don't put ourselves at risk. A silent, bloodless revolution. But to do it we have to get out into social media and find potential people to convert. Find them on a post that is related to the issue. Engage them in courteous debate then offer to explain more via private messaging.

Maybe see if there is a way also to contact journos who might be sympathetic. I feel often as if some female Grauniad journos dance around the issue, like they're not quite comfortable with it but they know they can't say so, so they pay lip service to the issue but say little else.

This is a battle of ideas, but the usual way societies discuss ideas has been entirely subverted and destroyed by the crypto-fascists of the regressive left, so we have to do it on the sly. We don't actually need money and power to do it. We just need facts, patience, and the internet.

I'm in. I'm appalled at that CPS document. DH & I fell out over this issue massively last night. I need to learn how to use Twitter though...