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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transphobic and Transcritical - what is the difference?

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OurBlanche · 26/02/2017 17:38

It seems to be a recurrent theme. Women here talk about various trans issues and some find many of the posts to be transphobic

I don't see that, I see a lot of women taking the opportunity to have a discussion they can't have in m/any other places. I see a lot of transcritical posts, some stated calmly, some not so. But they don't evidence transphobic.

So, on another thread I asked if it would be useful to discuss the difference between the two words.

My take is that I am not transphobic, I do not fear or hate any/all transpeople. I couldn't really care how someone presents themselves, what nomenclature they prefer.

I am transcritical, because of the actions of a very vocal minority of transactivists. I will disagree with them and it will have nothing to do with their preferred way of dressing, being hailed!

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Datun · 28/02/2017 17:39

Well quite Bambambini and that's when the ideology's flaws become glaring.

Gender dysphoria is real. The rest is a crock.

venusinscorpio · 28/02/2017 17:46

I don't think a lot of people on these threads actually believe that many transactivists feel like that. Some of them really despise women.

What sort of crazy basis is Bambam's example for forming law and policy around? You would literally be accepting any man who said they were a woman was an actual woman, whether or not they had done a single thing to live as a woman. This charmer thinks they are a woman the same as any other woman so their male genitalia is female by default. When any reasonable person thinks that is patently ridiculous.

It doesn't sound like they have dysphoria to me, it sounds like they want to make women uncomfortable.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/02/2017 18:03

Outside of MN the most popular term for what we're discussing is gender critical. Because our opposition to the erosion of women's rights is based on our rejection of the idea that gender is more important than sex. We don't think transwomen are women, not because we're mean but because we don't define women on the basis of gender. Feminist analysis places gender in the centre of the methods used to normalize the oppression of women. We would like to abolish gender and the trans lobby wants to elevate it.

The term trans critical suggests that our thinking on gender is limited to transgenderism. This is false. It also panders to the claim that feminists are trans exclusionary when in fact feminism excludes transwomen for the simple reason that they are not female, and female is the root of feminism. Transmen are included in feminism because they are women, and feminism creates an ideological home for the hundreds of detransitioners who realise that they are women - and often lesbians.

For this reason TERF is not only a slur but a nonsense. Feminism doesn't centre men? Well, no shit Sherlock! Grin

WankingMonkey · 28/02/2017 18:37

'It's transphobic to assume that every trans person wants to "physically transition." I don't need to physcially transition. I have a female body and female genitalia. I am a woman, and women have female bodies. This isn't difficult to understand, yet you have so-called allies who think our bodies have to look just like a cis woman's to be considered a real woman. Fucking cis women'

So 'woman' isn't enough, now they are trying to take 'female' too...lovely

LumelaMme · 28/02/2017 20:43

Excellent post, Prawn.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/02/2017 23:50

Gee thanks! Blush

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