BMA Advice about Pregnant People

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The BMA has issued advice to doctors that the term "expectant mother's" is excusionary & the term "pregnant people" should be used instead. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167632/Don-t-call-pregnant-patients-mothers.html?ito=twitter_share_article-factbox#mol-a3f41b20-e5a4-11e6-9817-45bcc625c5e7

I'm a man. Probably the defining part of "living as a man" is that I can't give birth to kids. Can anyone explain how you can have severe enough body dysmorphia to be triggered by this but not to decide to carry a baby to term?

So in an effort to understand the transagenda, I phoned a local feminist group in the hope of gaining some clarification. What a waste of time that was, I was told to "put aside logic and science" and that "I wasn't ready to hear it yet". Anyone know of any groups that have common sense?

Yes, lets all put aside logic and science. What a completely marvellous idea.

"Put aside logic and science"? And they claim to be feminists.

I'm still waiting to be asked about my chromosomes, my reply being that having borne two DC I can be cheerfully confident that I have a fully functioning female reproductive system.

A lot of these idiots are very very young and inexperienced. They genuinely think people can't know what sex they are without medical tests, maternity and paternity not being something they've come across yet. They may not realise they need feminism until they have DC themselves. I know that is true of lots of women.

I wish they'd take on board the simple fact that, regardless of 50+ genders and the repeated assertion that sex isn't a binary, or even a fact, that every single one of the billions of people who have ever lived had a mother and a father.

Prawn - love your response, refreshingly dare I say it "normal" - in the world of transhysteria (just made that one up at as it seems the trendy thing to do at the moment) I thought I was the only sane person left in the world

What defies logic is the burly very male looking TW or Transvestite who spoke on the Big Question tv show at the weekend -who with a straight face said that he couldn't use the mens loos in Asda because it might make the men uncomfortable (they'd been challenged by security). And the audience said nothing - apart from a few noises of support.

Oh no, MiddleGround, thanks but I'm by no means alone. There are loads of us on MN. It's one of the forums online where women are allowed to discuss this transhysteria. If you're relatively new, you might not have seen the "I am Spartacus" threads in August last year when more than 900 posters came forward to be counted. I expect you know the story of the Roman slave, Spartacus? Well, it was a reference to that. I found it inspirational. I know we're not supposed to talk about a thread in another thread, but there is a good reason in this case. Worth a look.

If you'd like other forums, I'd encourage you to explore Reddit GenderCritical and Gender_Critical. I don't know why there are two groups with such similar names.

I actually know my chromosomes and while defective am definitely endowed with XX
But I do like to wear trousers, intensely dislike fucking hate make-up, have a deeper than average voice and have in an hour of need worn DH's y-fronts AND did not dislike it - I fear I may need to identify as male, don't I?

I wonder what the men in the toilets in my local ASDA would make of me?

I wear the husband's lynx sometimes and use mens shower gel. My youngest son was admiringly stroking my very hairy legs last night and was super impressed (always been very tactile) - i'm so doomed.

I bet my leg hair is longer than yours! And it's not even Feminist Statement Leg Hair, it's just Garden Variety Too Lazy To Do Anything About It Leg Hair -and it's winter.

It's so depressing.
I totally nodded along to the statement about facts and science and common sense going out of the window. Transhysteria is going to be my new phrase; I've already taking a note of trans-peaking.
Sigh.

You do know that expressing a distaste for make up is cis sexist, Pacific? Only cis gendered women can pass as women without make up, you see. By refusing to wear it you are committing real violence against TW and may be responsible for several deaths.

You're right. You're going to have to identify as a man.

Sez me who, make up or no make up, couldn't be mistaken for a TW (or a man) even if I was wearing a 3 man tent.

Oh, I know I am any manner of -ists, that is my cross to bear and you must give me special consideration otherwise I feel violated and may cry.

Prawn, I am sure you are lovely, whatever you look like.

Rightly or wrongly every society ever in the history of humans living together has notions of 'normal' and anything looks- or behaviour wise straying from that 'normal' attracts attention and, sadly, often negative attention. Counter-acting that is what IMO efforts should be concentrating on, not somehow trying to re-define the meaning of words or telling me or anybody else what our relationship to make-up should be.

The one transperson I have a RL (working) relationship with is as complex a person as any other person, with good and bad character traits, good and bad days, and more or less functional coping mechanisms. They are very very at the trans activist movement and do not feel represented by this madness.
I know that is only one person, and one person living in relatively tame provincial suburbia, but in many ways I would have thought it must make life harder for them because they cannot 'hide' in amongst more bohemian life in the Big City.

Prawn thanks for the links - will look when I reassemble the disaster where my brain once resided :)

PS Prawn I think I might be becoming a feminist at age 59 - too old for this type of stuff?

Never too old, MiddleGround. I'm an antique myself.