Please help me to not hate men

[LastGirlOnTheLeft]

I have a wonderful dad and husband. I have sons, and I love them all to pieces. But I do believe that I am starting to hate men. When I read about their abuse of women and children and animals as well, I really feel HATE!!

I don't want to hate them. I don't want to be anything like those god awful woman haters, those soulless losers who obsess over women and who are lost, probably forever. I am NOT like them, because I do feel love and like for the men in my life. Just no other man.

Any advice?

Oh dear oh dear!
More personal attacks and irrelevant stats.

I'll ignore the former and deal with the latter in the order you presented them;
1.Men are responsible for 90% of violent crime and 98% of sex crime
I am not arguing with those stats. We were talking about DV!
Although I would add those two stats are undoubtedly true, the vast majority of victims of violent crime are men!

2.Your claim that women are the violent ones is piffle.
I did not (and never have) claime that women are the violent ones!!! Where did I say that?!
Although interestingly I did hear and interview with Erin Pizzey (woman who opened the first battered women refuge in the uk) say that she was surprised and shocked that of the first 100 women she took in, 62 of them were at least as aggressive and violent as the partners they were leaving!

3.When it comes to DV 44% of female homicide victims are killed by partners/ex partners compared with 6% of men.
Very weasily stat this one! But at least your on the right subject now! 44% of female homicide victims are killed by ex-partners compared with 6% of men!! Totally irrelevant!! All this shows is that there are a lot more people killing men than just ex partners!!!

4.Men are responsible for the lion's share of DV.
Not argued with this either! At least you said 'lions share' rather than vast majoriity. The stats I quoted show its generally two thirds to one third across the board. You've not shown or quoted anything that disagrees with that so far!

Thanks for your link. I'll try to read that over the weekend. I'm not sure what an MRATROPE is , I'll look that up too.! In the meantime, if you find anything that disagrees with what I've said or proves me wrong in any way, please let me know.

I thought it was reported that the statistics just stop when it comes to 6 violent attacks on women in their home by the same person? So anything over and above six attacks does not get reported. As many women are the victims of systematic attacks over years if not decades the statistics are being revised.

If raping your partner isn't DV, what is, jmsl?

There's been loads of threads already debunking your supposed points. The advanced search function is your friend.

Bye.

For those not here to goad, a past discussion

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2587807-one-in-four-women-and-one-in-six-men-suffer-domestic-abuse-in-their-lifetime

Helen . No one has brought up a rape stat in DV in this discussion! Not sure what your point is ? The station was 98% of sex crime is committed by men. That's All sex crime not just between domestic partners!

Also I'm sorry if my points (although they're really not my points they are government points) have been debunked a 100 times Before! But you'd think if that was the case then it would be easy show the evidence now!

None so blind as those that will not see.

Helen. So true. The emperors new clothes!
Look at this

Tend not to click on random YouTube links, they often turn out to be porn.

I think you might get more interest if you pop over to Red Pill on Reddit, jmslvlc. Not a lot of patience with MRA bollocks round here. Find someone who gives a shit.

Glad you think it's true
Cos it applies to you

Byeeeee!

Prawn not sure what your talking about and I can't be arsed clicking your links as I'm too busy but your time and colourful language is very pleasing to me. Job done.

Helen so funny you felt the need to tell me it applied to me! Lol
Bless :-)

Ah, I missed the Pizzey reference.

HOUSE!

Snort!

I am a lesbian married to a woman, and my wife's mum lives with us. So just the three of us. We have a few male friends and I've got an ex husband and adult son, we've also got a brother in law. I love the men in our lives BUT only for short periods of time as I find that pretty much without exception men dominate the conversation and take up space- its really really noticable when you don't generally have men around you.

Also- I am 59 and have had innumerable bad experiences with men from the age of thirteen onwards. So for me it is very much a case of a man having to demonstrate that they are ok before I will entertainment in my personal space. I much prefer the company of women.

entertain them rather than entertainment, sorry

In a word- patriarchy

The patriarchy, not testosterone, has side effects!

I hate men as a class but do love some individual men who have proven to be the exception to the rule.

Sorry you've had bad experiences, joy.

What you say reflects how the other thread turned out too - that when some women say that they "hate" men, they tend to mean they act on this by minimising time spent with men.

Whereas there are some women-hating men who express that hatred through rape, murder and other violence.

Go figure.

Sorry to hear that you've had so many years of bad experiences Joy I've found exactly the same thing, to the point that I am no longer looking for a relationship with a man. I find my life is much happier on my own and with my friends. I haven't completely cut men out of my life but I spend very limited around them.

HelenDenver thank you for your response. I have met very few women who haven't had negative experiences with men, ranging from 'every day' sexist remarks to rape.

The majority of abuses against males are usually ridiculed, glossed over and with no to little resources its only going to get worse for them.

Women beat their children, leave them home alone to go to bars, lie in custody battles, have men arrested for nothing ( having to lose home and children). These are facts. If you wish to ignore them then expect the same for your 'issues'.

I'm with you Meagan once a woman kicked my pet tortoise. Where is that outrage for that? Fucking feminists.

MeaganRain All those things are true, but 93% of all violence in the world is perpetrated by men