Do you think men can be feminists?

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This may sound like a stupid question but do you think men can be feminists?

I've always thought they can be but I perhaps some radical feminists will disagree with me.

Of course you do hilbert

Thats very clear

I mean it would be stupid of you to post something to prove your point if you didnt understand it

Oh and in case there is any confusion

I am in no way shape or form calling you stupid

I am agreeing that you must obviously understand it

I dont agree but that doesnt negate either of our understanding

Would be even more stupid to say one is so sure of understanding something that one has no fucking clue about, Rufus

Oh thats a funny crosspost

yes i absolutely agree

Just as well we havent done that then isnt it

Well then we can agree to disagree.

So, hilbert.

How do you lead your feminist life?

Bert

As pointed out, your view that feminists would never watch porn is not by any means universally held. So why keep going on about it ?

I use macbook airs as they represent privilege. It just doesn't seem very radical to me :)

You won't find many feminists who consider watching porn a feminist act.

The other things I mention?

Ooooh

Steve jobs is literally turning in his grave

How very dare you girl

I guess macbooks and etc are the products of a deeply sexist and misogynistic industry (apparently). I'm unaware as yet of feminist initiatives to gender balance the scaffolding business though..

I have no idea how many people who call themselves feminists watch porn, but the good news is that you don't get to decide that they are not "feminists" because your views are not the definition of feminism.

I also would like to ask about the use of the term "debase" which I understand to mean "reduce the value of". This seems a controversial thing to say ?

"I have no idea how many people who call themselves feminists watch porn, but the good news is that you don't get to decide that they are not "feminists" because your views are not the definition of feminism."

You can't be a feminist and support an industry that exploits, degrades and objectifies women. If you were a feminist you wouldn't want to!

You seem very focused on MacBooks and porn. My other points?

I find it particularly interesting that all the men who have come on this thread to tell feminist women how we desperately need their input are quite happy to talk over women, deride feminism, argue pro porn etc.

Why do you think there is a need for feminism? As pp have said, if you don't understand it, perhaps your contribution isn't as valuable as you clearly think it is?

girl
Some woman in the scaffolding industry trying to get more women into the scaffolding industry.
Maybe she doesn't describe herself as a feminist though... maybe you'd state it's not a feminist initiative...

www.womanthology.co.uk/no-longer-woman-room-im-proud-fly-flag-construction-lynn-way-company-secretary-financial-manager-chris-sedgeman-scaffolding-limited/

I find it particularly interesting that all the men who have come on this thread to tell feminist women how we desperately need their input are quite happy to talk over women, deride feminism, argue pro porn

To be fair to dadbot he didn't do this.

Bertrand "You can't be a feminist and support an industry that exploits, degrades and objectifies women. If you were a feminist you wouldn't want to!"

Define feminist before making such a statement! Your other question I have already addressed.

venus "I find it particularly interesting that all the men who have come on this thread to tell feminist women how we desperately need their input are quite happy to talk over women, deride feminism, argue pro porn etc. "

Show me a post of a single (self-identified) male user who did anything but the last one.

You won't find one.

ps maybe you need it spelled out, arguing that men can in fact be feminists, does not mean "you need our input". Or disagreeing with does not mean "talking over".

I am not pro porn, nor am I pro strip clubs. My point is simply that there are feminists who apparently support both. I think it was camille paglia (?) who reframes strip clubs as an example of how men worship women and these places demonstrate how much power women actually have. So when someone says "a feminist is X and you must do Y to be one" I'm pointing out the views expressed here by the "regulars" are not the be all and end all, one does not have to hold a view to recognise it exists and that those who hold it consider themselves interested in equality of the sexes. Do they ? And why would you say that some who has sex for money is of lower value or quality that someone who does not ? Is that a"feminist" opinion ?

As for other industries that are misogynistic and women hating, i see no desire to reject their offerings or even talk of doing so.

How about you explain how you reconcile you feminist sensibilities with porn use?

zsazsa

Not aware of any initiatives discussed on here about encouraging young women to become mining machine operators either, but the gender imbalance is apparently much greater than in IT. I've never seen any poster on here suggest that we need more women in scaffolding or demanding that the government attempts to redress the gender imbalance. I do think this undermines the credibility of anyone who claims to want to see women equally represented. Unless the industry is "sexy" and producing shiny gadgets and slick looking software that is...

How about you explain how you reconcile you feminist sensibilities with porn use?

How about instead you just admit that you don't get to decide who does and does not call themselves a feminist ?

The very baseline definition of feminism must include not colluding with the exploitation of women and not directly or indirectly causing women harm. Actually, the very baseline of humanity must include not colluding with the exploitation of people and not directly or indirectly causing people harm.
So even the "we don't need feminism because it just means treating people decent,y and we do that already" people must, by definition, be opposed to porn.

Well, on the evidence here, it's looking like my view that men could be feminists is at odds with the reality, isn't it. Ho hum (phone corrected that to "hi him" - bloody patriarchy enforcing shiny apple product!)

We seem to have veered away wildly from that premise, but oddly enough in a way that only reinforces its validity.

girl
Not aware of any initiatives discussed on here about encouraging young women to become mining machine operators either..
I've never seen any poster on here suggest that we need more women in scaffolding..
That's called moving the goalposts - as I'm sure you're well aware.
"I've never see or heard of this so it can't exist!" (Example provided.)
"Oh but what about this and this!?"
C'mon, you're trying to instruct people about what they ought to be discussing on a message board. Must we specifically discuss issues which you deem to be more worthy, otherwise all other points raised are somehow invalidated and therefore dismissed?

Here's a poster - me - on this board, suggesting that the gender imbalance in scaffolding ought to be redressed. You could always start your own thread, particularly as these seem to be issues that you care about - or at least have some interest in.

How about instead you just admit that you don't get to decide who does and does not call themselves a feminist?
Personally, I'm fine with that; men can call themselves feminists as much as they want to... I completely admit that I don't get to decide how someone describes themself.

Here's another link for you. I'm sure you've heard of them as it's such an interest of yours:
www.womeninmining.org.uk/