What's so great about being a woman?

[ghostlyghoulie]

Ok, so am being slightly tongue in cheek and expecting some funny answers, but... am also wondering how many wonderful reasons I can put to teenage daughter wanting to trans to male.

growapear it matters for the point of the topic which is young women and girls deciding that they want to be male. And potentially heading down a path of hormones breast removal etc. One suggestion is that girls are taking this up in increasing numbers to escape the very particular things that change for girls as they grow up.

There seems to be outcry at this suggestion but very little in the way of alternative ideas as to why young women are wanting to bind their breasts for example. I remember that girls used to starve themselves and wear baggy clothes to try not to attract attention to their chests. Binders fulfil this purpose excellently. If this is not the reason though, then what might it be? No-one has suggested any other answers.

Who's arguing about who has it shittest? Do the OP a favour and show some tact grow this is not the thread for arguing about mean feminists

Queen

I find this idea that women cannot wait to become unattractive to men utterly remarkable and had no idea it was so hard, many women apparently manage it all their lives. It is clearly a minority position and I would say most women are keen to delay this juncture as much as possible are they not ?

Devi

The OP asked what was good about being a woman? She was answered with several posts about how shite it is. Yet I am the insensitive one for suggesting this is unhelpful. You couldn't make this shit up.

Bollocks, pear. Your post was largely about male puberty , after calling other posters daft. So don't go making yourself out to be this big messenger of hope to the OP, rather than the habitual stirrer you are on here.

Queen, well put about being a person who happens to be female, rather than good things about being a woman.

OP, does your DD have any interest in having children? As hormonal treatments will make her infertile, I believe.

Interesting. I didn't mention "attractive" or "unattractive" anywhere. In fact I said in black and white "the difference between being a person in our society and a girl/woman in her main reproductive years".

What a strange interpretation of the above. I'm not unattractive now and I wasn't before. What I'm not is in my reproductive years (well I'm on the way out of them). And if you think only "attractive" girls get unwanted male attention then that's way off the truth so I don't even know how you come to think that.

What a terribly interesting (and to me bizarre) reaction. The idea that all women over a certain age are "unattractive" - says volumes TBH.

Am now laughing at "why are you all saying it's awful to be a women that's so mean and rubbish bah" and "all women over a certain age are unattractive" is the to men bit important? What about lesbians ha I guess they are all hairy ugly bastards anyway. And the "to men" bit - most people like to be attractive in general but how many women specifically aim to look attractive to non-specific "men"??? The only people I've met who honestly think that women wear makeup etc because they want attention from any old blokes have been men bless their egos.

Far too many badly groomed, unhygienic or plain ugly men feel equipped to decide whether women are attractive or not. When I worked in pubs you used to get these little clusters of,repulsive men at the bar who used to discuss the relative merits of women customers as if they stood the slightest chance with them. There are some men who one can only imagine have never looked at themselves in the mirror.

I don't deny that there are many men who feel entitled to pass comment on women. What I think is unusual is your desire to be invisible. To whom do you want to appear invisible and is it your position that women typically are desperate to become infertile, like you, in order to be invisible ?

God, you talk some bullocks grow

I'm paraphrasing the initial bollocks actually.

Of course you are

Having the freedom to present ourselves in many ways. We have a lot of socially acceptable public faces in comparison to men. We can dress as men and be mistaken for men without being men. We can transform ourselves with clothes and make up from one day to the next with little social judgement.

Well, women seem to be wiser, looking for example at crime statistics (much more men than women comitting crimes), so it's good to be a woman.

Well, women seem to be wiser, looking for example at crime statistics (much more men than women comitting crimes), so it's good to be a woman.

Well, women seem to be wiser, looking for example at crime statistics (much more men than women comitting crimes), so it's good to be a woman.

Pear

You really are a byword for disingenuousness.

You've been on here long enough, under enough names, to be well aware that the "invisibility" Queen is talking about is the reduction in street harassment experienced by women post or near post-reproductive age.

Twist it how you like. #WeSeeYou.

I know precisely what Queen means about the joys of invisibility. I too am past the stage of street harassment and it's lovely. I'm still attractive to some men of around my own age but the constant hassle has stopped. I feel safer walking home in the dark than I ever have done.

Unwanted attention is a pain at the time, but you really don't appreciate how much it affects your life until it stops. I used to get followed, harassed and was groped more times than I can list. You plan routes home, other journeys, even what you wear sometimes, and where you go - all to avoid unwanted male attention.

Sure, there's some attention that isn't unwanted, but that doesn't balance out the assaults and the rapes. I enjoyed being a good looking woman but I didn't enjoy being seen as a target or an object.

You've been on here long enough, under enough names, to be well aware that the "invisibility" Queen is talking about is the reduction in street harassment experienced by women post or near post-reproductive age.

You really are deluded. I don't know who you think I am or how long you think I have been on here or what you think see. I know exactly what she is talking about actually, and i stand by my earlier comments that young women are not generally looking forward to getting to older or indeed embracing it, or infact really making any obvious attempts to disguise themselves so that they don't suffer from the apparently never ending sexual harassment in public places that goes on for all women between the ages of 13 and 45.

Growapear every time I need to pass a group of young men for about two seconds i panic...then i remember i'm twice their age,fat and frumpy. But for those 2 seconds..it's all oh shit,do i cross the street? What do i do? Will it be ok?

I've had men and boys lifting my skirt,touching me,slapping me and even trying to rape me since i was 13. I've had men asking directions while i was in my own garden,then coming back,trying the gate and telling me i'm cute. I've had men stop their car in front of me demanding for my phone number. I had a boss fire me cause i wouldn't sleep with him. So yeah, i might be only 31 but i'm already sick and tired of this shit and of having my attitude,personality,behaviour or clothes judged and used as reasons for male shitty and sexually aggressive behaviour.

You know exactly what she is talking about, do you?

Then why don't your posts reflect that?

And you call me deluded.

I know perfectly well who you are and who you have been before.

Deep

You have no idea who I am.

Rebel

So you think that this personal experience of yours is typical ? Do you think that most men are like this ? Do you think that we ought to legislate based on these interactions ?

Please ignore the derailer! I think OP has gone anyway and life is to short to spend time banging ones head against a wall

1. I know it's typical. Most of the women i know have been sexually harassed,abused or raped. Or a close female friend or family member has been.
2. No I don't
3. Legislating what? We can barely get rapists to stand trial,much less get a conviction.

young women are not generally looking forward to getting to older or indeed embracing it, or infact really making any obvious attempts to disguise themselves so that they don't suffer from the apparently never ending sexual harassment in public places that goes on for all women between the ages of 13 and 45

I certainly wasn't but then I often don't recognise the female experience as described on here as being representative of my life; or that of my female friends for that matter.

Lass i remember you getting a bit of grief for not having shitty experiences.