Jenni Murray Woman's hour today (trans)

[Notwhatiexpected]

Hey,
Did anyone hear Jenni Murray on woman's hour today, her guest was India Willoughby. India is trans and was advocating that it was correct for the Dorchester to dictate that their female staff shave their legs.

India was very spiked in her conversation and implied Jenni was transphobic because the panalists didn't agree.

Again, a woman being called transphobic because they didn't agree with a transwoman's opinion.

Thank you Jenni for standing up for women!

I think the inclusion of Paris Lees was a clever way of sidestepping accusations of transphobia rather than from any real belief that Paris is any kind of feminist...

somedyke I'm so glad you are here
flax I'm not playing privilege bingo, I hate that too. But when a gay person chooses not to be out to avoid direct discrimination, they are still being oppressed as they are having to hide parts of their lives that straight people can be open about.

Sorry that was actually to tiger too!

Yes Devi - I remember my (dickwad) Uncle once complaining about a gay colleague "always going on about his boyfriend and what they were doing at the weekend". This Uncle had photos of his family up at work, used to chat about his wife and family, had collections when (straight) people got married and could not see that the "flaunting" of a gay relationship paled in comparison to the usual discussions of private life.

IW rambled at the end of IW's contribution that all girls go through a phase of liking fairy dust and princesses (!!) and shaving legs is some kind of continuation of that as well as saying it's not clean. Utter fool. If IW was not trans Jenny Murray and Eleanor ?? would have ripped into that.

As it only seems to be TRAs who are getting much of a public platform (India, Juno, Lees etc) I strongly suspect that any misogyny will become more and more evident.

It seems that India really had absolutely no clue why JM might be looking askance at her comments.

"If they could find a trans woman wanting to dress in trousers and not shave etc that would be a nice change. They will be out there"

Oh there are masses if them

Check out this bunch of glamour pusses:

www.daniellemuscato.com

Alex beardy

AskBasil

The comments on the Alex Beardy link!

Transwomen and transsexuals apoplectic that he is redefining what it means to be a transwoman. 'No women have beards! It's an insult to transwomen'.

All without a hint of irony or self awareness. Astounding.

I'm listening to it now on iPlayer - I've just heard India W. speaking about unshaven legs. She is outrageous - how dare she?!

Same old male entitlement. She's not been raised as a woman - what would she know about those awful adolescent & early 20s years when the pressure is so intense.

The comments on the Alex Beardy link!

Transwomen and transsexuals apoplectic that he is redefining what it means to be a transwoman. 'No women have beards! It's an insult to transwomen'.

All without a hint of irony or self awareness. Astounding.

...Seems people who do not live in our shoes want to have an opinion on how it is supposed to be for us.

Oh damn - there was supposed to be an "I love this one:" before the final quote.

Wth the Alex Beardy link: why isn't he defining "the bandwidth of how to be a MAN" and fuck off out of talking about redefining being a woman. I can define that for myself. Being a woman and all.

No StripedTulip, you need a man to show you how to be a woman.

Tut.

That's where women go wrong you see. Thinking they can define their own reality, when everyone knows they need a man to do that for them.

And, apparently, you now also need a man to show you how to be a proper transwoman. In-fighting and a massive pissing contest. It's almost too much.

I do hope DM sticks to her guns.

And, apparently, you now also need a man to show you how to be a proper transwoman. In-fighting and a massive pissing contest. It's almost too much.

You might enjoy this ... :) (Scroll and play the video).

rejecting-the-gender-cult.tumblr.com/post/131924675632/a-bit-of-levity-after-a-long-day

yet

It's almost too close to the mark!

That clip is great!

Is this a libfem training movie???

Oh good christ, if any of you would prefer not to see Eric Idle acting incredibly creepily whilst wearing a bizarre t-shirt /leotard combo and sporting a lovely beard and extolling female friendship....

Do not click the Justin link.

In the interests of preserving sanity I should mention the link is absolutely not one of Eric Idle being one of the female head scarf wearing Monty Python.

(Contd)characters.

I'm really annoyed that I actually know who Jasper Gregory is. He's a complete twerp but clearly thinks he is some sort of great thinker/artist/Internet sensation and I'm really annoyed having heard of him before in some way validates his delusion.

I've been busy with work this week and not had a chance to catch up with Woman's Hour on listen again. Has the India Willoughby shaving kerfuffle been mentioned at all this week on Woman's Hour?

Hehe

user1477282676 India isn't a woman. He is a man. His POV on womanhood is irrelevant.

Coming back to the point. Surely the women can just say the identify as a man so don't shave their legs. In fact, surely they really ARE a man if they don't shave their legs.