Sexism? Racism? Both?

[MrsTerryPratchett]

I'm posting here to restrain myself from again challenging someone on FB. He never listens to me anyway and he's married to someone I love...

He posted something saying that the Black actor (Dixon) in Hamilton who called out Pence is sexist. Allegedly Dixon has made comments on Twitter about 'white women' and therefore it's ironic that he challenged Pence. This posted by a man who repeatedly makes awful sexist jokes about women on FB.

Then I thought about all the men who are soooo worried about Sharia law. They only seem to care about women's safety and rights when a) the men 'threatening' them are Black or Muslim or both and b) when caring makes no impact on their own ability to be sexist. Oh and c) when the women threatened are white.

So is the main issue here racism, sexism or both? Is it just a privilege soup. Or, my favourite explanation; that men just see women as objects which they own and their racism means that they see Black or Muslim men as a threat to their 'property'.

A sex offender is a sex offender is a sex offender

You are the authority?

I'm so glad I'm not the only one confused by Pizanfan's posts.

You are the authority? Are you?

Pizanfan there were women and men who called the victim all kind of names. I don't see that happening to the victims in Germany. Nobody is trying to find out their identities to abuse them in person or over the internet. Can you really not see the differences?

ODFOD

A lot of the men in Cologne weren't prosecuted because German law is stupid. And horribly victim-blaming. Or at least was, changes are being made.

Yes, you do judge, pizan. Frequently.

They weren't prosecuted because what they did wasn't illegal ffs.

You and your facts,xeno

I was finding it baffling until I learn to treat the thread like stepping stones.

I've never got so drunk that I didn't know what happened the next day but I've been out with friends who did. I ensured they got back to bed by themselves as did a male friend of ours. He did not see it as a chance to take advantage. Do I judge them, nope, it's their choice as much as it's mine to not drink. Not drinking doesn't mean that you can't be a victim, just as much as only drinking a little doesn't mean you are protected.

I wasn't discussing the case in detail but want you to see the similarities, or the lack thereof.

I know Yonic, I'm such a git.

You can prove anything with facts!

Well, I've heard tell we're in a post-fact age. It just appears that some wish for a post-evidence and post-knowledge one as well.

People are 'sick of experts' after all.

Let's all bang sticks against rocks while grunting.

MTP referring to your original post (and ignoring Pizan's contributions which make the thread incomprehensible!)...

I totally agree with you and I came to the same conclusion. I saw the debate sparked up by the Hamilton actor's tweets. His statement about white women, while obviously less than stellar, is nothing compared to what we've heard from Donald Trump in the last few months. Yet I've seen Trump supporters on social media get their righteous knickers into a knot over this "disrespectful" treatment of white women.

As long as it's white men doing the disrespecting/assaulting it seems to be absolutely fine.

Lass, from the article and the bumph I've seen in GP waiting rooms, all the pictures are of white women, which by omission may imply that only white women get breast cancer or even that only white women should have regular mammograms

Ok, I have been in a gp waiting room probably less than half a dozen times since my son got his MMR jab in 1990 so I wouldn't have noticed.

Are you not bored of your MRA bollocks trolling yet Pizanfan? So bored of reading the tripe you come out with. jog on, there's a dear.

Every person is equal, and every persons opinion is as valid, or not valid as everyone elses on every subject

This explains a lot of your posts Pizan - you know that's not true right?

That's why we have experts.

When it comes to discussing on the internet, well, we read, we think and we debate, still, there are opinions we discard as rubbish, and some we agree with, and some that change our own minds - not everyone has an equal voice.

MrsTP - I agree with you - I've seen men even say 'our women' more than once.

Oh and one more thing - actually a lot of what was being done in Cologne wasn't illegal - have a look at the threads at the time which some of our German regulars posted on (ie. someone who's opinion holds more water on the subject) - German law doesn't count groping as an offence if I'm remembering correctly.

chocchoc u r right German law doesn't make illegal to grope and if u don't physically resist a rapist attack but just say no the law doesn't regard that as rape. They passed new laws to change this. Remember reading about on the BBC website. Was very surprised this was the case in Germany of all places.

Dixon does however seem to be an unpleasant, misogynistic, racist hypocrite.

He certainly does. However my FB bloke was entirely silent on Pence until this. Pence is also a sexist, racist homophobe. But one who is about to have a great deal of power. Unlike Dixon, who really doesn't.

Both can be ghastly. From what I've seen of what Dixon said, power or not, he has a very unpleasant view of women. He also does have power and a greater reach now having been reported around the world, and has used his position to normalise misogyny from what I can tell. None of this means Pence isn't horrific or that the man on your FB necessarily cares about misogyny in general given the sexist jokes he posts himself.

I don't think when this type of person talks about sharia law, or the Rotherham attacks or cologne they really talk about woman's rights at all. Its more "don't go hurting my women", its definitely more of a possession thing. Perhaps Ched Evans and others are allowed to get away with it because they are the "owner" .