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woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

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BombadierFritz · 21/10/2016 18:38

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3859618/You-caused-son-great-harm-insisting-raising-girl-Boy-seven-sent-live-father-mother-raised-daughter.html

hmmm. ok so its daily mail reporting but I am conflicted
perhaps good if child was being pushed into something he wasnt
but wtf with the boringly stereotypical insistance on the type of toys played with

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RebeccaMumsnet · 30/10/2016 13:02

Hi all,

Hugh was banned yesterday but has since rejoined and posted. We have now banned this poster too.

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Felascloak · 30/10/2016 13:02

Pinknews have published a supportive piece saying mermaids have been attacked by transphobes for supporting the mother in this case.
Transphobes being the daily mail Grin
www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/10/29/trans-support-charity-mermaids-attacked-by-transphobes-for-bullying/

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BeyondReasonablyDoubts · 30/10/2016 13:05

Ah, thank you for the clarification Rebecca :)

We see you Hugh, and so do mnhq!

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 30/10/2016 14:10

This is scandalous behaviour. From a Charity

Tuba Flowers to you and your DC

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ArcheryAnnie · 30/10/2016 14:19

Tuba, you've been very measured and reasonable in a pretty volatile situation. I've found your posts here really helpful, and I am sorry that this person has violated your trust.

Flowers

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tubasinthemoonlight · 30/10/2016 15:35

Thanks Annie. I found your posts yesterday really helped me laugh at the situation. One in particular about advancing on enemy lines or something made me roar, so poetic.

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ladyballs · 30/10/2016 15:36

Just seen this tubas. More Flowers

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tubasinthemoonlight · 30/10/2016 15:40

It was this Annie:

posting a name outright is not so much crossing a line as taking a marching band over it, then digging the line up, then setting fire to the landscape Smile

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ArcheryAnnie · 30/10/2016 15:44

< raises hat to tuba >

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Xenophile · 30/10/2016 20:13

Hugh, you doxed a woman on a public forum and you did that knowing how dangerous that might be to her. You did it knowing that people involved with the organisation you are here to represent will be able to put two and two together and work out exactly who you were talking about, therefore putting her and her child in danger.

I couldn't give a toss how much it hurt your feelings to see the truth about your organisation posted on here, you put a woman in danger. you're slime.

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 30/10/2016 20:56

I'm reckoning on a committee meeting at Mermaids tomorrow morn.
The Mermaids twitter spoke(cis)person on duty been on full time today.

Hugh, arse kicking heading your way

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Hanora50 · 31/10/2016 10:21
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Fourormore · 31/10/2016 10:25

What an uninformed and biased blog post. The one from The Transparency Project was much, much clearer.

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Felascloak · 31/10/2016 10:27

The person who wrote that blog hasn't read the judgement hanora.
There was nothing in the way the boy presented or acted to suggest he was trans - only the mothers say so. That's why it's a scary case. Because "trans" is so nebulous that HCPS didn't question the mothers choice at all.
Surely raising a non trans child as trans is as dangerous as raising a trans child in an extremely narrow interpretation of the gender role associated with their birth sex?

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Fourormore · 31/10/2016 10:29

There was nothing in the way the boy presented or acted to suggest he was trans

More than that, it is clear from the judgement that he emphatically identified himself as a boy.

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ATransMum · 31/10/2016 10:43

Hi everyone.

I can't comment specifically on the child J case but I wanted to say a few things.

Firstly doxxing someone is never cool and Flowers to Tuba. I am equally appalled at this.

Secondly 'is the child trans' isn't actually the main issue. They may or may not be. The question is really 'is the mother suitable to continue raise the child'.

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Fourormore · 31/10/2016 10:50

And the answer to that is no.

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Datun · 31/10/2016 10:59

It may not be the issue ATM, but it's certainly highlighting the issue. Gender non conforming children are just that.

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Xenophile · 31/10/2016 11:04

Lovely to see the new posters from mermaids on the thread.

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ATransMum · 31/10/2016 11:08

GNC children should just be allowed to explore their gender and not labelled. There is so much misinformation being shared around this issue right now it is not funny.

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IBelieveTheEarthIsFlat · 31/10/2016 11:15

ATM
Well Mermaids are certainly in support of the mother. Their tweets have been prolific this weekend

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Datun · 31/10/2016 11:16

You're right. The misinformation is muddying the waters. Largely because of the TRAs issue of self identification and the assertion that transwomen ARE women. Take those out of the equation and we'll be fine. Apart from the ethical issue of transing children, of course. (Which I agree is due to misinformation).

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Felascloak · 31/10/2016 11:40

Secondly 'is the child trans' isn't actually the main issue. They may or may not be. The question is really 'is the mother suitable to continue raise the child'.

Yes exactly. Unfortunately the case has been hijacked by TRAs saying it's transphobia. It seems a very clear cut case of abuse from the judgment and it's strange that Mermaids are tying themselves up in knots insisting this child is trans.

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Hanora50 · 31/10/2016 13:04
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 31/10/2016 13:35

Hanora I don't think that anyone is arguing that it is not difficult supporting a child with serious mental health issues.

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