woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3859618/You-caused-son-great-harm-insisting-raising-girl-Boy-seven-sent-live-father-mother-raised-daughter.html

hmmm. ok so its daily mail reporting but I am conflicted
perhaps good if child was being pushed into something he wasnt
but wtf with the boringly stereotypical insistance on the type of toys played with

In my experience, CAMHS don't take suicidal ideation very seriously. They told me they thought my DS threats to jill himself was because he was playing too much Minecraft

Perhaps if you tell them your child is also struggling with gender stereotypes, they're a bit more sympathetic?

Thanks Lynda

I've watched my DCs play minecraft, I must have missed the bit where Steve killed himself...

I missed that bit too. And thanks for understanding my fat fingers!

Lyndanotlinda - in my case, we were seen urgently by CAHMS because of my child being suicidal. It was during her first session she disclosed she wanted to be a boy, but they were already taking her suicidal thoughts seriously. I'm really sorry to read that they didn't in your child's case

Thank you Gidds, that's very kind of you. He's doing a lot better nowadays

That's really good to hear!! I can only imagine how upsetting and frustrating it must have been to get no support x

I can understand them taking the mother at her word at the time. What I cannot understand is the continual insistence (even after reading the judgement, as they have claimed to do) that they were right and the judge, and the professionals involved, and even the Tavistock were wrong. That this 'poor child' is now being 'forced' to live as a boy. And so on.

I'm with you on this one. Afaik the father is totally fine with the child exploring gender if and when required.

I stand by Mermaids. The charity was hugely supportive to me and my trans-daughter (now aged 19). Through Mermaids and the NHS I have met dozens of parents with gender non-conforming children. None of us would wish gender dysphoria for our children but we have to face reality.

I don't understand the mentality of standing by an organisation on the basis that you had a good experience with them.

What do you think about their actions in this case, Bonny?

Welcome to MN, Bonny.

Anyone else bored with the onslaught of Mermaids people?

Nah, keep em coming I say, Cote. Let's see if any of them can explain why they are supporting they are continuing to support an emotionally abusive mother with misgendering her child.

You can just see the executive "damage limitation" meeting that took place on Monday, where clearly some sort of "Let's bombast MumsNet" decision was taken. Yawn.

It's really sad. Strikes me that it's cognitive dissonance at the (emotional) investment they made into a possibly dodgy organisation. Sometimes it's easier to plough on repeating the doctrine than admit you might be wrong.

Whenever I hear this blue toys/pink toys shit I just thank fuck I grew up in the 70s/80s. My sis and I loved our Scalextrix set the best. We spent A LOT of time out roaming on our bikes, climbing trees with our male friends, helping our Dad fix stuff, playing with Mechano and Lego. In today's terms my Dad spent a couple of years trying to 'turn' us by introducing us to coding. As a teen, I was mad for science and sci-fi. Blow me if I didn't turn out to be a woman with kids. Today's conception of gender and play is so narrow, I probably have been identified as gender non-conforming (as opposed to being a bit fed up with all the pretty-pretty girl shit and actually being allowed to explore my own interests).

Sounds like that to me too, Kropotkinator.

I guess if your child is struggling, you will take what you need from the ideology, and disregard the rest.

Protection. It's human nature.

I just wish that the people who do that have a thought for others not in the exact same situation. I understand why they don't, but I wish they would.

Yes, Cote, the strategies Mermaids have been using, both here and elsewhere, show them up for the shower of amateurs they really are.

Suzie Green took her son abroad for genital surgery when he was 16. How any parent can ignore that is beyond me.

Prawn - that's the thing I find really disturbing. I have a child who has a number of issues compared to your average child, meaning that there are a number of support groups/networks/organisations that I'm a member of. Organisations take their tone from the top. Green has shown herself to be someone who makes highly questionable decisions. So much of this feels like justification to validate her own choices.

A courageous young woman who was drowned in the kool-aid of transideology. Heartbreaking.

Cari Stella's story (in the video posted by AskBasil above) is well worth a watch. She is asking a lot of questions about what being trans means from the position of someone who transitioned very young and has now detransitioned. She says the number of detransitioned people is growing and they will become impossible to ignore.

Unfortunately the detransitioners ARE easy to ignore as many are young women, a section of society frequently ignored.

Plus any detransitioner is deemed a fake transgender person, someone who was never really trans to start off with (not that there is any criteria other than a feeling from what I read!) An old fashioned 'no true scotsman' fallacy.

Babies I've seen that, too - the experience of a young woman who has gone through years of drugs, binders, surgery and mental anguish is deemed as less valid than a guy who occasionally wears eyeliner and speaks in a breathy voice when he goes into a "female shift". One is derided as "never really trans" and one is deemed as an Oppressed Genderfluid. No prizes for guessing which is which.

She says the number of detransitioned people is growing and they will become impossible to ignore.

Of course it will. Detransition rates are still at a couple of percent. Transition is one of the most stressful things you can do in your life and not everyone makes it through.

But more people considering transition, coupled with a low detransition rate, will of course increase the number of people who have detransitioned.

The reasons are varied - some choose to do so for their families, employment or other external factors. For some transition might not have been the right choice (e.g. the infamous Walt Heyer). And for others the sheer mental stress is too much.

The first and last reason are mostly due to society, not the trans person. The middle one (I don't have any stats on which is most likely as the rates are quite low) is the one we need to improve however.

Like I've always said, transition should be the last choice for anyone who is GNC, not the first.

Detransition rates are still at a couple of percent

What system is being used to generate an accurate measure or transistion v detransition ?

People who have surgery/prescribed hormones may, or may not have years long follow up.

People who have private surgery overseas, or buy hormones over the internet may have an even higher degree of invisibility in terms of longer term follow up.

People who have neither surgery, nor take hormones (which as I understand it is not considered a less valid for of transition) likewise.

Then you have , she was making a point about the ease of legal transistion, other non-trans people may have their own reasons for changing their legal gender status, which may, or may not be permement. But given that trans people are a tiny minority even a small number of mischievous legal gender changes could have the capacity to distort the overall number and cast doubt on the relative number of detransistioners, couldn't they ?

Is there some kind of central record keeping and how does it measure "being trans" and how does it allow for follow up considering the potentially very wide spectrum of what it can mean to be transitioned ? And considering the low bar in some places for being legally recognised as the opposite sex how accurate are these centralised figures in terms of total number and the number of detransistioners ?