Consquences of self-identification

[MrsKCastle]

Sorry if this has already been done. I've been doing a lot of thinking about current trans thinking in the media.

As far as I understand it, this is the predominant view:
Anyone can be man or woman, male, female or neither. It doesn't depend on your genes, appearance or potential ability to hear young. What's important is how you identify. We should always treat people as they identify, with regard to how we speak about and treat them, and what spaces/roles we allow them to access.

What I'm interested in, is how this self-identification will or could change society. I'd love to hear your thoughts as I think it will help me to get things straight in my head.

So far I'm thinking:
No more single-sex schools
No more single-sex hospital wards
No more single-sex clubs, whether that's Brownies or exclusive golf clubs
Anyone can apply for any scholarship or award, regardless of sex

What else?

Silly are you going to give us the definition of female you use or are you going to duck the question?

No not clicking. What is your definition of female.

I'm not buying a book, you numpty.

Yes, I feel a strong aversion to you co-opting my womanhood. It means something, you know?

Why would you focus on gender as a trans thing and not join with feminists to eliminate the proscription of gender roles so that you could be happy with both your sex and your personality?

You had so many words before. I raise you three.

Adult human female.

The chips are down.

If one is perceived by others as female, one is a woman

I think thats biggest load of rubbish i have read lately

And i find that business about amending the article to say the "second" all female directors of a trilogy to be rage inducing

Oh dear. I'm very disappointed in this

On Tumbler, you can see a fair number of teenaged girls (its never boys) who claim to be "transgender" but aren't "sex dysphoric"... of course, they are straight.... and aren't even all that tomboyish. The actually FtM transfolk derisively call them "tucute" as in they are "too cute" to actually be trans. These will all be conventional heterosexual (or femme bisexual) women by the time that they graduate from college... just as we used to joke about "LUGs" back in my college days...So, yeah, one can think that there is a serious problem that must be addressed. But in reality, these girls won't be doing anything serious... and time alone with fix the problem.

Damaging healthy female tissue with binders and damaging fertility with hormone treatment is serious and are both a growing activity in young FTMs (see recent reporting about increase in referrals to the Portman clinic). Its actually more serious if the likelihood of detransition is higher (as ypur post implies) as they are risking life long effects for what is effectively "a phase". This whole section is so belittling of other trans peoples experience and an issue that's potentially going to affect many females lives. I can't believe it isn't stemming from some deep misogyny in you, that you can discount this as "not serious"

Good point fela

That statement didn't sit right with me but i couldn't articulate why

Ugh I posted and the board ate it
Silly, I feel like you are defining gender which isn't the issue for me when I worry about this. My worry is about biological sex and safe spaces.

So for example what did you think of this,,can you see why women would be worried?
mic.com/articles/154301/urban-outfitters-misses-the-mark-on-gender-nonbinary-acceptance#.Y9rOP02sx

Also, a general point, I've said it before but it's worth saying again
It's extraordinary that a woman can be refused sterilisation on the grounds that she might change her mind, but a teen can be given puberty blockers.

Lorilei... I was ASKED... and apparently that was a trap...

I'm trying very sincerely to answer scientific questions... but many here are more interested in being able to strike coup against their sworn enemy, a real live enemy in their midst, with false accusations and name calling.

I done my best to answer questions... anyone interested a real conversation on the science is welcome to read my blog and to find my email address there.

Silly, you link to a book about gender.

The question I asked was about sex, not gender. How do you (you, not an author you admire /respect) define female?

(Gender is a word I find often employed to obfuscate. It really only means "sex role" "sex caste" or "sex hierarchy")

None of it sits right, really. Just a valiant attempt to counter any potential claims that wanks occur because of dressing like no women I have ever met

The link that was posted in response to my question about biology was distinctly

Ok, why are you a woman, if the other questions are a bit tricky?

I'm trying very sincerely to answer scientific questions… but many here are more interested in being able to strike coup against their sworn enemy, a real live enemy in their midst, with false accusations and name calling.

Who called you names?
Who said you're a sworn enemy?
Who falsely accused you? Of what?

In short, what are you talking about and why are you avoiding a definition of 'woman'?

Sorry

I have missed the name calling, who called you names because i would be happy to report

I don't even think i have a sworn enemy

And i get pissed off by people very easily

Maybe numpty? You'd better call social services on me Rufus because that's what I call my kids.

Sorry Silly, i thought more than one of us asked about sex rather than gender but I'm pooped so my brain may be addled.

But a short answer to the UO change room situation would be most welcome, I mean on the board, it's a bit off to just keep pointing us to the blog.

Silly: 'We do what we must to be safe.'

This is what all women would say. Why compromise their spaces with the demand that anyone who self-identifies as female can enter?

If one is perceived by others as female, one is a woman

This is profoundly offensive. How fucking dare you!

Does 'numpty' mean something else in the States perhaps?

and I've NEVER met someone who was being "pushed" into be trans...

I don't have the link to hand (its on my laptop upstairs so can post in an hour or so) but there was a recent survey of 'detransitioned' women who felt very differently to this. They felt they did not get enough therapy and a lot felt they were essentially pushed into a decision that was not for them by various medical professionals.

I don't think people are 'pushed into it' as such by parents, but I worry that playing along with the 'you are actually the opposite sex' is a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. I hated being a female during puberty, I would have done anything for it not to happen, it scared the shit out of me and I did not want it to change. If my parents had been 'liberals' and saw my distress as anything other than a normal reaction to puberty...and had helped me onto puberty blockers and the likes (given I was very masculine also...so would have fit todays 'check box' for being trans) I have no doubts that by now, I would be a woman in a (bad copy of) a mans body. However, I would have been miserable as such. Luckily my parents saw hating my own body and what it was turning into as a normal natural phase to go through. As such, I see it as potentially damaging to even mention that puberty can be halted and such to impressionable scared kids.

Another fear is with the likes of the parent of the 'non conforming 10 year old'. Not sure if you are familiar with this but its been a big talking point this past week. Basically, child is confused. Not totally masculine or feminine. Mother keeps TELLING her she is a man. Asking her is she is a gay man or a straight man and such. So mother forcing/encouraging child down trans route. Not cool. I see no reason for this besides the mother wanting attention for being so 'progressive and accepting'. I foresee a terribly confusing future for her child.

winchester

I call my children 'muppet' affectionally you understand

Although dd is very similar to Miss Piggy

Maybe lion

Was it 'numpty' silly ?

Silly, what is your position on the transing of children?