To think that women should not be referred to as menstruators and pregnant people?

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*This is a thread about the impact trans activism is having on women. This is the beginning.

Don't read on if you're going to whine about another trans thread.*

Julian Vigo (@lubelleludotcom on Twitter) wrote the following.

There is a war on women, folks. The transgender lobby has gone down the rabbit hole by refusing to acknowledge that women's lives and bodies not only matter, but that they are real. Instead women's bodies have become the simulacra in an extended theatre of male entitlement (to be women while telling women to STFU) or they are rendered an extension of male subjectivity such that we now see hairy transmen's female bodies breastfeeding, the only form of female body hair that would ever be allowed in Time magazine.

And now for the latest: we are being called "menstruators" by the same right-wing discourse which seeks to remove the mention of woman from women's healthcare across the USA (ie. now many providers have been pressured to remove the term woman and write instead "pregnant person.") It is as if the last 100 years of women's rights had never occured.

The ironies are multiple. Here you have a group which claims its own marginalisation while working steadily to marginalise an already marginalised group, women. Then you have a group of female people who by virtue of the current transgender identity doxa necessitates "gender dysphoria," yet paradoxically adheres to—and even embraces—the real and symbolic thrust of much of what the female body actually is and produces, a complete opposition to gender dysphoria. Therein lies the greatest contradiction which, not surprisingly, once again holds women hostage: woman is symbolic for those who emulate her, woman is only acceptable inasmuch as she recognises males as females, and women are now relegated to "non-males" by political parties, as "pregnant humans" and "menstruators" by females who reject their bodies yet who hold out for the double-bind of gender in this theatre of cruelty where only a [sic] "man" can truly understood pregnancy, breastfeeding, and motherhood.

The only parallel I can think of is if the KKK were to insist that the Black Panthers stop calling themselves "black", demand that their white hoods be viewed as black, assert that only white people know what it is like to experience life as a black person, and then turn around and maintain that black people are just a group of entitled, bio-essentialist racists.

This new one I keep seeing is "biology is a construct" in response to someone saying gender is a social construct. Really?

Biology is a construct? That sounds like meaning creep. Men are lesbians. Peace is war. There was some TA convo on Reddit in which Mtts who had had bottom surgery were saying that meant they were now ciswomen...

"We have always been at war with Eastasia". Wish they'd read some Orwell. It's easy to mock them ( they're very young) but I find it genuinely sinister how lacking in critical thinking they are and resistant to opposing opinions. The banning and no platforming etc. It's the internet generation where they're scared of having the wrong opinion outside their echo chamber. It's not just the usual generation gap -I was a young feminist in the 90s and while I didn't believe 70s third-wave feminism had got everything right, I respected those women who'd gone before and knew we were on the same side. Whereas this is some weird Year Zero shit I can't quite comprehend.

"Gender is not a biological binary" you carefully explain to your boss who's torpedoing your career after you come back from your second maternity leave. Or the rapist in the dark alleyway. Yeah

It's bullshit and you know what. I'm gonna go ahead and compare it to the evangelists, the scientologists.. They have a list of answers for 'difficult' questions that don't answer the initial question and ways of subverting meanings in an attempt to confuse.

I was taught critical thinking and for anyone who is interested and has teens who need to learn it - futurelearn.com runs free short online courses on critical thinking. I did it a few months back and will do it again. When it comes up.

A course in learning how to think critically should be compulsory in school but it's not taught. Not even so much as a whimper at uni ether :/

Mind if I come back - got to echo that shout out for critical thinking. This is so desperately lacking. A little Theory of Knowledge goes a long way.

And when philosophy IS taught in school it's usually a sort of vague 'be nice' relativist moral philosophy.

www.futurelearn.com/courses/logical-and-critical-thinking There we go folks! This one starts sept 26th for 8weeks and you can do it in your own time. All resources are in the course via links, videos and occasionally PDFs to read plus an 'additional reading' list.

You just need a pen and paper to crack on :)

Yes winchester it's not really debated but prescribed. None of those tough questions that don't have an answer either. Ah I miss philosophy discussions. Ours would get a bit heated sometimes.

If everybody understood 'true' , 'true by definition' and 'empiricayou lly observed but not logically impossible' then a lot of this 'cuntfuckery' (helpful word thanks) wouldn't get off the ground. It's the gender critical feminists who have it. Brains like scythes.

That's such an interesting perspective katiexxy thank you.

Why was katexxy's post deleted?

Nice to see you back :)

I read that post, Katexxy,'and found it very interesting. Was going to cut'n'paste it into a fascinating facts document.

Can't think what MNHQ objected to. Surely it couldn't be considered transphobic? As I recall,it was about genes mostly. Baffling.

I too thought it a really informative post, coming from a fairly unique perspective. That someone must have reported it and MN deemed it offensive shows how far down the rabbit hole we really are.

I want MN to re instate it or give a reason for the deletion. How on earth can we possibly know what we've don't wrong without being told

I agree.

There are people who have XXY and XYY and varying combinations who are still definitely male or female. They are not intersex because they have a specific set of genitalia/ reproductive organs that they cannot be anything other than male/female. They do not have both male and female reproductive tissue/organs.

Intersex people have both or partially both male and female sex tissue/organs (many have partial organs not compete one and are sometimes sterile because of this)
Intersex people can be diagnosed effectively through examination of tissue under microscope.

Interestingly only a few intersex people grow up and decide the gender they were living as didn't fit.

I cannot find statistics about this. There is a possibility the % of people within the intersex group changing their social gender could be higher than the general population but that number is still very small and points to gender identity being a social and/or mental health concern that should be explored first with extensive therapy and a much more gender critical look at society as a whole should happen.

Yes the lack of critical thinking is worrying and astonishing. Like you join the Borg or a cult. Surrounding yourself with like thinking people, blocking any opposing or even questioning views.

I find it fascinating. I imagine many are young, passionate and some are confused and vulnerable and finding their way. I used to totally defend the trans position and their rights - before i actually had thought about it and looked into it, reading views from different sides.

So the current trans activists community negatively affects true intersex people by adopting incorrect terminology to prop up their arguments....

Considering how few intersex people there are, it's interesting how often I've seen posts from intersex people complaining about their issues being co-opted by TRAs. In fact I've never seen a post from an intersex person who thinks the two groups have anything in common.

TRAs, for some reason, seem keen to enlarge the pool of intersex conditions. I've seen PCOS defined as intersex, which is absurd.