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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is getting out of control - Ladyfest

238 replies

Chickpeasandpakchoi · 03/06/2016 19:52

Has banned the use of the word 'clitoris' at its feminist festival as it it trans exclusionary.
www.feministcurrent.com/2016/06/03/german-ladyfest-clitoris-exclusionary/
I hope it is boycotted by women. How DARE they tell us we cannot celebrate and talk about our female anatomy?

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timelytess · 03/06/2016 20:31

Meanwhile, my rights as a woman are reduced.
I feel this very strongly.
Whilst I want people to have happy lives and not be forced into roles they aren't comfortable with, I don't want my woman-ness defined by people who were once biological men.

NeedACleverNN · 03/06/2016 20:34

Isn't it amazing you don't hear much about transmen?!

It's mainly transwomen. Funny that

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 20:34

I'm clearly old ,mid 40s,I've no idea what any of the terms mean,MtT?...I read the link ,twice,....why are men going to a women's festival ? Regardless of if they wear a dress or not,they are male under it,so why are they allowed in...or weirdly why would they want to go...to perv?... I was late night shopping in Asda a few years back with my pre teens at the time.a big 6 foot plus man came in,wearing fishnets, heels ,dress ,the works...my kids were like mum mum it's a man in a dress....he clearly was a man...but I wondered why no one had shown him how to apply make up properly.....maybe they need their own festival.practice make up and stuff

LurcioAgain · 03/06/2016 20:43

Petal - MtT means "male to trans" (used by some, but not all feminists in preference to MtF, "male to female" - MtT is used to indicate that you can't actually change biological sex). The majority of transwomen don't actually have "bottom surgery". To some extent I have sympathy with this position - the surgery is painful and often does not have good outcomes (loss of sexual function, problems with the "neovagina" closing up, etc). However, if you choose to keep your penis, I think you don't belong in certain women's spaces, such as communal changing rooms, women-only rape crisis centres. Certain very vocal transactivists disagree (google "cotton ceiling" if you really want to read some stuff that will blow your mind - there are a group of transwomen who identify as lesbian, and claim that lesbians who won't have sex with their "ladypenises" are transphobic bigots for being... attracted to women's bodies and genitalia... which I naively always thought was a pretty big part of being a lesbian - not the whole story, but a pretty big part).

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 20:46

Wtf....lurcio,dear god

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 20:51

So man who thinks he is a lesbian is upset because a real lesbian won't have sex with him/ her......and a ladypenis is a real thing?.wow how have I missed all that,

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 20:52

I kid u not,I am having an education on mums net...wish I'd joined yrs ago

DuvetDayEveryday · 03/06/2016 20:54

It's eye opening, isn't it?

LurcioAgain · 03/06/2016 20:55

It is a "dear god" moment when you realise some of the issues.

In fairness, I think the vast majority of trans folk just want to get on with life in the knowledge that they won't be discriminated against in employment, or if they try to book a B&B or whatever. The trouble is, it is the extreme transactivists who seem to have got the ear of the people drafting new legislation - so for instance, the old gender reassignment certificates are being replaced by simply being able to declare, in any circumstances, that you are transgender. And this needn't even mean "wearing a dress" - there are men who "present as men" (Daniele Muscato, for example) who insist they are women. And if (when) the legislation goes through, anyone male-bodied, whether trans or not, will simply be able to announce "I feel I am a woman", and you will have no legal grounds to challenge their presence in a woman-only space (this has happened already in America, with one case of a teenage swim team who I think are now having to use the janitor's storeroom to change, because a "transwoman" with fully intact penis insists that "she" wants to swim and change in the communal changing rooms at exactly the same time the girls change for their scheduled swimming training).

Snowshimmer · 03/06/2016 20:58

I feel like climbing up on a roof, yelling CLITORIS VULVA XX CHROMOSOMES VAGINA UTERUS after reading that crap OP

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 21:03

What u just said,was what I was just thinking......so any man can say he is a woman and invade our toilets or changing rooms,,but the penis is a small give away...you can't change biology.men have penises.women do not....that's like me saying,,,huuuum I don't feel like being a woman today,I fancy being a cat....well I'm not a cat as I've not got a tail ,so a man can't be a woman with a penis....omg...what the hell kind of world have I brought kids in to.this is a million ways of fucked up...all I ever thought on this subject was,,some men like to wear a dress.oh well up to them....but it's so much more than that

NeedACleverNN · 03/06/2016 21:04

Basically petal

Things for my daughter is looking to get worse when she grows up not better Sad

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 21:08

I feel....I don't know I feel,frustrated, cross ,confused..WHY...justWHY to all of it....

Chickpeasandpakchoi · 03/06/2016 21:14

Guerrilla Feminism has just posted a really emotive piece on FB about how childhood abuse affects female brains. Really harrowing stuff.

It's preceded by a trigger warning for cissexism as it discusses women's brains.

This is terrifying.

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VestalVirgin · 03/06/2016 21:14

This is freaking insane.

I hoped Germany was relatively safe from this shit, but apparently it spreads over the internet, and the feminists are already all infected.

Those are real people, actual, real, German women who really think this is a good idea ... I despair. Confused

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 21:16

I'm not on Facebook....how else can I see it

NeedACleverNN · 03/06/2016 21:19

m.facebook.com/guerrillafeminism/

It's a public post petal you don't need FB.

That's shocking though cissexism shouldn't exist!

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 21:25

Never heard of cissexism,I swear I'm not a troll...I'm just out of the loop...my head is swimming ,going read the article now

NeedACleverNN · 03/06/2016 21:27

cis

Short for "cisgender" (opposite of "transgender"), used to describe someone whose gender identity matches their anatomical gender at birth.

From urban dictionary

TendonQueen · 03/06/2016 21:32

By this logic, shouldn't they also declare references to a penis trans-exclusionary, as not all women have them?

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 21:33

Cisgender is just an average person,? I read the article....was it the one about abused women's brains showing how they were abused in childhood? Or have I read the wrong one

Chickpeasandpakchoi · 03/06/2016 21:34

No that's the one Petal

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Petal40 · 03/06/2016 21:35

It feels like things are being given a name that aren't even a thing...like cisgender...isn't that 99% of the population

NeedACleverNN · 03/06/2016 21:35

No that is the one. It's triggered as cissexism because it is talking about female brains and is therefore excluding transwomen (I think that was the point. I confuse myself with all these terminologies)

Petal40 · 03/06/2016 21:37

Regarding the article,that's no surprise......did people really think women abused in childhood would just carry on with no ill effects???? fFS....