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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Recovery from sexual harassment in work

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 28/05/2016 09:29

Hi,
Anyone have any books/websites I could read to help recovery from an incident of sexual harassment in work? It was a bit unsavory and has knocked my confidence a bit. I work in a male dominated industry and was on a promotion track. I am so angry with this guy and so angry with myself that a few comments and can have such an impact.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 17/06/2016 17:50

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DailyFailAteMyFish · 17/06/2016 17:54

Loud voice "Douchehead is moving in a re-shuffle, it has nothing to do with his skills or harassment, not at all oh no. As you were."

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EBearhug · 17/06/2016 19:51

Well, if Douchehead will be working with any women in his new role, I think I would probably let a rumour circulate that the reshuffle is very definitely to do with sexual harassment and he'll probably be out if there's another report against him.

Though if it's like our place, it's probably quite easy to reshuffle people to a department which has only men.

DailyFailAteMyFish · 17/06/2016 21:19

Do not fear.
I have already noted where Douchehead is going and will ensure a confidential chat will be had.

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EBearhug · 17/06/2016 21:43
Grin
DailyFailAteMyFish · 17/06/2016 22:04

My husband says I should state the re-shuffle is becausw Douchead has been bitten by a radioactive spider... And not at all because of sexual harassment #verydrunk

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DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 17/06/2016 22:51

They want to hide what he has done? I think that's... I don't know, is "systemic sexism" appropriate? How are they acting in the best interests of every woman in the company to just move him with a cover story?

I am glad for you, very very glad that he's being moved. I feared they were going to see if they could let it drag on long enough that you would drop it from the exhaustion of having to push for every thing, so it's a victory that the move is looking likely and secure.

But still, a cover story? Even if they want to give him one, in what way is it your responsibility to either help them create it or to collude with it- they haven't made you sign any confidentiality things have they?

DailyFailAteMyFish · 17/06/2016 23:05

They want to give him a 'fresh start'. Never mind there is no fresh start for me because my manager and senior manager and head of hr have read his remarks about my arse.
Sigh

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EBearhug · 17/06/2016 23:20

Hmm. Take care that they can't stick any harassment on you, when you make sure people are aware of why he's moved.

DailyFailAteMyFish · 17/06/2016 23:29

I'm not going to broadcast it, but I won't lie.
I think that's ok isn't it.

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EBearhug · 18/06/2016 12:18

Yes. It just looks like, if they're giving him a fresh start, they probably want everyone to forget about it. It's not like they're making a show of trying to get him out, and as you say - you're not getting a fresh start. They're looking out for themselves, not you.

DailyFailAteMyFish · 18/06/2016 17:34

Right, sorry I was quite drunk last night.
From what I can see in the policies there are no clauses that state I am not allowed to speak. It states the disciplinary itself needs to be confidential, but nothing about my complaint.
The danger in a cover story is that the whole thing could be flipped, that the rumour mill could then be that I harassed him or bullied him (as you said up thread Ebearhug).
Frankly I don't think it's in my interests to collude.
This senior manager is a jackass.
I think after all this I may leave the company.

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JedRambosteen · 18/06/2016 19:38

Even if you end up leaving, you still did the right thing & I reckon you'll have less of a problem with this kind of crap in the future because the confidence of your "take no shit" stance will go with you. I know I've changed after taking on a bullying arse of a manager in a previous role.

Kidnapped · 18/06/2016 19:52

Absolutely no way to you having to come up with a 'cover story'. Beyond ridiculous. If someone had stolen money from you at work and had a disciplinary and been transferred as a result, how likely is that a manager would ask you (the victim) to come up with a cover story for their transfer? Would never happen but because it is sexual harassment (and consequently even more upsetting for you) and you are a woman then it is partly your responsibility to cover it up? No. Fucking. Way.

Your own manager needs to be fighting for you. You may have to be clear with them about that.

If this other manager asks you again verbally then say "Let me think about it and I'll email you about it". Then email him (copying your own manager) stating "On xxx date, you asked me to come up with a cover story for the man who sexually harassed me at work. Initially I thought that I must have misunderstood. Can you confirm what exactly you want me to do?"

And then if he is a total fool he will email you with ideas of the cover story, thus incriminating himself if you want to go down the grievance/constructive dismissal route. If he has any sense he won't mention it again.

Make your own manager aware that this other manager has asked you to cover up for this harasser.

If anybody else in the company asks anything about the harasser just say that HR have been managing the incident and they can ask HR for details. People will draw their own conclusions.

Are you in a union? Might be worth having an informal chat with a rep if so.

Don't blame you at all for feeling like you want to leave. Your company have exposed you to this harasser, made you work with him after the incident, and asked you to collude in covering it up. They have failed you.

My advice moving forward is to get everything in writing. If you have a verbal conversation with someone then immediately send an email recapping what was said, copying your own manager and others if need be.

I am very sorry that this is happening to you. It is not your fault.

Redbindippers101 · 18/06/2016 19:56

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Kidnapped · 18/06/2016 20:02

Then clearly there is a problem with your reading comprehension or your intelligence.

You may wish to seek help with that.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/06/2016 20:08

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JedRambosteen · 18/06/2016 20:19

I've just reported one of redbindipper's comments in another thread (a marital rape one). With any luck the one above will get zapped soon too.... Hmm

DailyFailAteMyFish · 18/06/2016 20:29

Why redbindipper do you think I would be stupid enough to detail the exact allegation and method? Hey, perhaps I should name the industry and company too? Hey to make things simpler I'll just take all the emails and names and post them on this forum for you to read!

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JedRambosteen · 18/06/2016 20:31

Daily - you have no need to explain or justify. We believe you.

Kidnapped · 18/06/2016 20:56

Red bin dipper is a derogatory reference to the people of Liverpool so I think any hope for intelligent debate is futile.

Have reported.

Kidnapped · 18/06/2016 22:38

Previously banned poster apparently. And has been banned again.

Sorry about this, DailyFail.

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 19/06/2016 01:13

If you do end up leaving over how management have dealt with your sexual harassment, I think you might have a case for constructive dismissal, and or sexual discrimination.

do you have legal advice through your home insurance, or a union?

erinaceus · 19/06/2016 08:44

I am sorry that this is happening to you. I do not have the impression that you are about to decide not to pursue this, but if you do decide to stop, for whatever reason or none, that is your right as well and I would support you in that. You must look after yourself in the middle of all of this.

I once heard, at a panel discussion, someone asked why the panel member endures the equivalent to the type of discussion you are having with your management, herself. She answered that she endures the pain for future women and not for herself. This is honourable but it is not an obligation. Do what you can and seek support for yourself, here and from your husband who sounds as if he has a good sense of humour and perspective.

I am not expert in the law, but I agree that if you were to resign you would have a case for constructive dismissal, should you wish to pursue this, and that documenting every conversation, including that one in which someone mentioned a cover story is what you need to do. It is possible to make notes during a meeting, show them to the person in the meeting, and then email them around there and then, or, yes, bring a union rep, third party, or someone from HR to witness the conversations.

From the perspective of your organisation, your managers may believe that losing you, even with a constructive dismissal case, risk to the organisation's reputation and all, to be the lesser loss than losing him. Depending on the short- and long-term goals of the organisation, they may even be right, tragic as it is. I would not run an organisation along such lines, and I do not run a organisation. I once heard corporations described as people without souls.

You are being courageous Flowers

DailyFailAteMyFish · 19/06/2016 09:54

Thanks everyone for the good advice, I do appreciate it!
Glad we have ousted the troll.
I have been fighting for nearly a month now. I don't want to take on my senior manager. He is very much admired in the area and by the upper levels of management. Though it is acknowledged he's a bit of a git.
Kidnapped, your idea is perfect, it focuses on exactly what he has asked and gets him to confirm it. I think with his cover story plan he was putting effort into seeking a smooth transition for the dude and didn't consider the actual implications of what he was asking. This will focus him on what he was asking and will hopefully make him realise that it was a stupid suggestion.
I will also confirm with HR that there is nothing to stop me confirming I raised a grievance and the result. That will keep me in the clear.
I am not in a union. I don't plan to take this to an industrial tribunal. Constructive dismissal is very difficult to prove and I don't want to waste any more personal energy on this. I will mention this in my exit interview and state it is why I'm going.
Erinaceus, I wonder if they think I am planning to sue them. That tactic of meeting and then emailing the discussion points raised in the meeting to all the attendees including HR is exactly what the senior manager did.
I do appreciate your comments about being courageous and fighting for those who come after. I'm tired of this preying on my mind and the hatred I feel for the dude. I need closure. I've seen the impact this has had on my work and I don't want it to damage my reputation.

I wondered if would be worthwhile sending an email to HR about their processes, a kind of lessons learned document about what I felt could be improved. This would help anyone coming after me.

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