rebranding TERF

[PosieReturningParker]

I want to rebrand TERF and have some ideas about alternatives.

3Fs. Feminism for females
FCF female centred feminism

And I'm going to use #DEW Don't Erase Women

Or DEF females

[OneBlinky]

We need to reclaim a word that has been stamped on and sullied - being a Feminist or a Suffragette used to have the same connotations too; no longer
Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist describes perfectly the thinking so stick with it; be proud and Terf.

aninjusticemag.com/mumsnet-how-poor-moderation-created-a-transphobic-swamp-adf391ccf9fc

[Gooders1105]

I still don’t understand the stance feminists are taking here. It seems to be a generational thing. I’m a feminist. I want to support trans women not be critical of them

[StillWeRise]

hahahs sorry xpost

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Goodness I thought the J-man was back for a minute

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

I still don’t understand the stance feminists are taking here. It seems to be a generational thing. I’m a feminist. I want to support trans women not be critical of them

Surely there are some limits to your support? What is it that you don't understand exactly?

[Gooders1105]

@SirVixofVixHall

Gender and sex mean the same thing. Some people now say Gender when what they mean is gender identity. So gender isn't a social construct, gender assumed behaviour is a social construct. And not all gender based behaviour is socially constructed, because some behaviour is hormonally driven. But largely, sex-based behaviours/tastes etc, are socially driven and vary by culture. Those behaviours that are the same across us as a species are more likely to have a biological basis rather than a social one.

Gender and sex are completely different. The gendering of children begins in utero

[Gooders1105]

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I still don’t understand the stance feminists are taking here. It seems to be a generational thing. I’m a feminist. I want to support trans women not be critical of them

Surely there are some limits to your support? What is it that you don't understand exactly?

I don’t understand why a group that is disadvantaged in society, women, in this forum identifying as feminists, are determined to exclude another group, trans people

[Gooders1105]

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Goodness I thought the J-man was back for a minute

No idea who that is. I’m curious as to why there is so much vitriol here

[StillWeRise]

huh? deleted?

[CheeseMmmm]

As ever the issue is not the word but who/what it refers to.

Feminist has always been something of an accusation rather than a description.

If eg it had always been lovely people who are lovely. LPWAL would still be shorthand for witch.

[bordermidgebite]

There is no intention to exclude trans people

But feminism is about females , the unique issues faced by females irrespective of any gender identity they may possess

So the needs of transmen but not transwomen

It's kind of consistent

[bordermidgebite]

How hurtful to suggest sex ( your hits snd bobs) is synonymous with gender , who you are

[Whitefire]

"I don’t understand why a group that is disadvantaged in society, women, in this forum identifying as feminists, are determined to exclude another group, trans people"

When you say exclude what do you mean?

Should trans people (women) be excluded from, say, women prisons? Hell yeah.

Should trans people be excluded from accessing employment, housing etc? No.

If you agree with the first then you too are a TERF.

[CheeseMmmm]

Omg I scrolled back saw JAPAB! was.. ??!!

Then saw this thread is ZOMBIE!

and whoever resurrected seems to have been deleted so. No idea what's going on!

[CheeseMmmm]

Oh lol op has PP in name. Can't remember if that handle was her or not.

Assume someone hammering away at the advanced Search option!

[CheeseMmmm]

Gooders-

It's about sex not gender. Some trans people are female. Shocker! Male. Female. Not tricky.

It's usual for a group that is about one disadvantaged group to focus on one group. In fact it's true that when it comes to things to do with women and girls. It's ALWAYS been the case that they are told to think about loads of other groups and stop being mean. In a way that doesn't happen to other groups.

[Gooders1105]

Why are we jumping to the argument about prisons? I’m honestly stunned at the glee with which people are revelling in being called a TERF. I don’t think feminists should give much attention to this; I think challenging the patriarchy is more important. I bet all those who benefit from patriarchal systems (mainly men) are loving this. Whilst feminists argue about this, other issues are neglected

[Gooders1105]

I’m not shutting anyone down. I’m not telling people not to be mean because women should be nice. I think everyone should be accepting.

[CheeseMmmm]

Glee?
Prisons?
Revelling? At being called a TERF? I thought the line was that TERF wasn't a slur? It doesn't make sense anyway. Very very few people who think sex matters are radical Feminists!

[EndoplasmicReticulum]

It's like we've fallen through a timey wimey wormholey thing back to 2016 when "be kind" was all the rage.

[bordermidgebite]

Accepting of what exactly ?

Because when being accepting means lesbians accepting dick , no I don't agree

[FictionalCharacter]

FCF is great!